[#93964] perl6 grammar rules in ruby — Charles Comstock <cc1@...>

Has anyone taken a look at the idea of having embedded grammars in ruby

21 messages 2004/03/01

[#94023] Why's (Poignant) Guide to Ruby, Chapter Four: Little Leaves of Code — why the lucky stiff <ruby-talk@...>

Just wanted everyone to know that Chapter Four of the (Poignant) Guide

15 messages 2004/03/01

[#94037] Rubyx OS (Ruby oriented linux distro) — Andrew Walrond <andrew@...>

I am pleased to announce the first public release of Rubyx, codename

39 messages 2004/03/02

[#94062] pickaxe with pics? — Dick Davies <rasputnik@...>

17 messages 2004/03/02

[#94068] dynamic assignment of instance variables — gv@... (Gerard A.W. Vreeswijk)

$ cat try.rb

19 messages 2004/03/02

[#94110] why are Hashes so unsorted? what's your solution? — Ruby Baby <ruby@...>

I try to avoid questions like "Why doesn't Ruby do what ___ does?"

14 messages 2004/03/03

[#94144] Mozilla gets support for other client-side languages in the future, how about Ruby? — Erik Terpstra <erik@...>

Interesting slides:

9 messages 2004/03/03

[#94190] rescue inside block -> syntax error — Simon Strandgaard <neoneye@...>

While reading this message:

15 messages 2004/03/04

[#94424] random range — Charles Comstock <cc1@...>

Why doesn't rand take an integer range and then generate a random number

23 messages 2004/03/06
[#94432] Re: random range — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...> 2004/03/06

Charles Comstock wrote:

[#94434] Re: random range — Joel VanderWerf <vjoel@...> 2004/03/06

Hal Fulton wrote:

[#94436] Re: random range — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2004/03/06

Hi --

[#94487] Looking for HTML templating system — Andreas Schwarz <usenet@...>

I am looking for a templating system for my forum

19 messages 2004/03/07

[#94517] proposal: class<<obj to invoke extend_object — Simon Strandgaard <neoneye@...>

'obj.extend' and 'class<<obj' are close cousins..

22 messages 2004/03/07

[#94612] RedCloth 2.0.2 -- A Textile Humane Web Text Generator — why the lucky stiff <ruby-talk@...>

For your immediate perusal and swift renouncement:

10 messages 2004/03/09

[#94672] saving array — mopthisandthat@... (Phidippus)

After I do bunch of computations and create a huge array with bunch of

18 messages 2004/03/10

[#94686] Possibility of 2nd edition of _The Ruby Way_ — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...>

Hello, all.

17 messages 2004/03/10

[#94760] convincing a webhost to support ruby — Mark Hubbart <discord@...>

Hi all,

15 messages 2004/03/11

[#94813] Jruby 0.7.0 — Thomas E Enebo <enebo@...>

20 messages 2004/03/12
[#94815] Re: [ANN] Jruby 0.7.0 — gabriele renzi <surrender_it@...1.vip.ukl.yahoo.com> 2004/03/12

il Sat, 13 Mar 2004 02:33:49 +0900, Thomas E Enebo <enebo@acm.org> ha

[#94817] Re: [ANN] Jruby 0.7.0 — Thomas E Enebo <enebo@...> 2004/03/12

On Sat, 13 Mar 2004, gabriele renzi defenestrated me:

[#94935] RubyGems 0.2.0 — Chad Fowler <chad@...>

The first public release of RubyGems (http://rubygems.rubyforge.org)

26 messages 2004/03/14

[#94985] GUI testing on unix — Simon Strandgaard <neoneye@...>

I am curious to if there exists any GUI testing packages for unix.

17 messages 2004/03/16

[#94998] RAA trouble and maintenance — "NAKAMURA, Hiroshi" <nahi@...>

Hi,

14 messages 2004/03/16

[#95014] RAA - So much is broken — Lothar Scholz <mailinglists@...>

Hello,

15 messages 2004/03/16

[#95060] YAML tutorial — Matt Lawrence <matt@...>

Ok, I am so not a Ruby wizard. In fact, I don't do much development at

15 messages 2004/03/17

[#95098] groovy — David Garamond <lists@...6.isreserved.com>

Groovy, a scripting language targeted for JVM, was mentioned in Slashdot

14 messages 2004/03/17

[#95155] Installer packages for MacOSX — Mark Hubbart <discord@...>

Hi, all

18 messages 2004/03/17

[#95190] Thinking about a date-matching algorithm... — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...>

I did a little swapping of ideas with dblack on this. Now I'm

22 messages 2004/03/18

[#95200] Log4r 1.0.5 now with RubyGems option — Leon Torres <leon@...>

Greetings, I'm pleased to announce the release of Log4r 1.0.5. The

11 messages 2004/03/18

[#95230] Ruby and Mozilla — paul vudmaska <paul@...>

--- Simon Strandgaard <neoneye@adslhome.dk <http://us.f104.mail.yahoo.com/ym/Compose?To=neoneye@adslhome.dk&YY=90525&order=down&sort=date&pos=0&view=a&head=b>> wrote:

12 messages 2004/03/18

[#95290] calling outer-scope method of same name — "Bill Kelly" <billk@...>

Hi all!

16 messages 2004/03/18
[#95292] Re: calling outer-scope method of same name — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2004/03/18

Hi --

[#95340] Kwartz (2004-03-19) released — Makoto Kuwata <kwa@...>

Hi folks,

31 messages 2004/03/19
[#95367] Re: [ANN] Kwartz (2004-03-19) released — Andreas Schwarz <usenet@...> 2004/03/19

Hi,

[#95405] Re: [ANN] Kwartz (2004-03-19) released — Andreas Schwarz <usenet@...> 2004/03/19

Makoto Kuwata wrote:

[#95412] Re: [ANN] Kwartz (2004-03-19) released — Makoto Kuwata <kwa@...> 2004/03/19

Andreas,

[#95453] Re: [ANN] Kwartz (2004-03-19) released — Andreas Schwarz <usenet@...> 2004/03/20

Makoto Kuwata wrote:

[#95484] Re: [ANN] Kwartz (2004-03-19) released — Makoto Kuwata <kwa@...> 2004/03/21

[#95490] Re: [ANN] Kwartz (2004-03-19) released — Thomas Fini Hansen <beast@...> 2004/03/21

On Sun, Mar 21, 2004 at 11:39:26AM +0900, Makoto Kuwata wrote:

[#95518] Re: [ANN] Kwartz (2004-03-19) released — Andreas Schwarz <usenet@...> 2004/03/21

Makoto Kuwata wrote:

[#95553] Re: [ANN] Kwartz (2004-03-19) released — Andreas Schwarz <usenet@...> 2004/03/22

Makoto Kuwata wrote:

[#95386] Can $LOAD_PATH be relative? — ptkwt@... (Phil Tomson)

24 messages 2004/03/19
[#95389] Re: Can $LOAD_PATH be relative? — ptkwt@... (Phil Tomson) 2004/03/19

In article <wsqk71gd188.fsf@io.com>, Jim Menard <jimm@io.com> wrote:

[#95398] Re: Can $LOAD_PATH be relative? — Patrick Bennett <patrick.bennett@...> 2004/03/19

Phil Tomson wrote:

[#95400] Re: Can $LOAD_PATH be relative? — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2004/03/19

Hi --

[#95403] Re: Can $LOAD_PATH be relative? — Patrick Bennett <patrick.bennett@...> 2004/03/19

[#95434] converting javascript to ruby (nested methods) — yvon.thoravalNO-SPAM@... (Yvon Thoraval)

i have a script written in javascript and want to translate it into ruby

10 messages 2004/03/20

[#95517] What to gem? — Robert Feldt <feldt@...>

Hi,

14 messages 2004/03/21

[#95560] Need some advice on PickAxe II — Dave Thomas <dave@...>

Folks:

74 messages 2004/03/22

[#95636] Tempfile consuming a lot of memory — thomass@... (Thomas)

I'm using a lot of Tempfile's and I have been made aware that they

17 messages 2004/03/23

[#95693] proposal - enforce lower_case for variables and methods — Simon Strandgaard <neoneye@...>

Ruby does already enforce CamelCase for class/modules.

29 messages 2004/03/24

[#95769] File.stat.size errors with file sizes over 2Gigs. — walter@...

File.stat('file_name').size returns erroneous file sizes when the

16 messages 2004/03/24

[#95782] Quick Introduction to RubyGems — Gavin Sinclair <gsinclair@...>

Hi folks,

17 messages 2004/03/24

[#95875] Errors with "make" step, while compiling ruby under AIX 5.2 — Ruby Ruby <ruby4lover@...>

I am wanted to install ruby 1.8.1 under AIX 5.2. During the installation, while doing the "make" part of it, the process abruptily ended with the following errors:

15 messages 2004/03/25
[#95883] Re: Errors with "make" step, while compiling ruby under AIX 5.2 — nobu.nokada@... 2004/03/26

Hi,

[#95918] Re: Errors with "make" step, while compiling ruby under AIX 5.2 — Ruby Ruby <ruby4lover@...> 2004/03/26

I am sorry to insist but this is important to me.

[#95960] Status of AOP in Ruby — Markus Jais <markusjais@...>

Hello

22 messages 2004/03/27

[#95984] deciding between ruby and python — "Serve Lau" <ik@...>

I'm trying to decide to learn either python or ruby. Are there fundamental

119 messages 2004/03/28
[#96006] Re: deciding between ruby and python — klausm0762@... (Klaus Momberger) 2004/03/28

"Serve Lau" <ik@detongiser.com> wrote in message news:<106dlen5mr97q76@corp.supernews.com>...

[#96503] Re: deciding between ruby and python — Ville Vainio <ville@...> 2004/04/04

>>>>> "James" == James Britt <jamesUNDERBARb@neurogami.com> writes:

[#96508] Re: deciding between ruby and python — Dan Doel <djd15@...> 2004/04/04

As you say, this whole thread has been done many times before.

[#96566] Re: deciding between ruby and python — Ville Vainio <ville@...> 2004/04/05

[#96691] Re: deciding between ruby and python — gabriele renzi <surrender_it@...1.vip.ukl.yahoo.com> 2004/04/07

il Wed, 07 Apr 2004 05:35:39 GMT, dagbrown@LART.ca (Dave Brown) ha

[#95992] Madeleine 0.6 — Anders Bengtsson <ndrsbngtssn@...>

23 messages 2004/03/28

Surprise with Hash#new

From: Luis D Casillas <casillas@..._spam.Stanford.EDU>
Date: 2004-03-30 07:34:26 UTC
List: ruby-talk #96105
Today I spent 15 mins baffled by very weird behavior with a Hash, and I
just figured out where I went wrong.  (I'm using ruby 1.8.1.)

So, I wanted to create a dictionary of stacks, which in Ruby comes out
as being a Hash of Arrays.  I wanted to be able to write code like this

  @seen[key].push(word)
  val = @seen[key].pop

which, in English, would read something like "push word into the stack
@seen[key]", and "pop a value from @seen[key] and assign it to val".  I
also wanted the following behavior when the hash is indexed with a key
it doesn't have:

  @seen['foo']              # expected: => []
  @seen['foo'].push('bar')  # expected: @seen <- {"foo"=>["bar"]}

So, I try the following code:

  # WARNING: don't do this at home
  @seen = Hash.new([])		# return [] on failed lookup
  @seen['foo'].push('bar')

(Faulty) reasoning: push the string 'bar' on the stack @seen['foo']; 
if @seen['foo'] doesn't exist, it gets initialized to [] beforehand.

Of course, it doesn't work like that at all:

  @seen['baz']
  => ['bar']

  @seen
  => {}

The problem, which I only saw considerably later, is that calling
Hash#new with an empty list is equivalent to the following:

  bob = []
  @seen = Hash.new(bob)
  bob.push('bar')	# equivalent to @seen['foo'].push('bar')
  bob			# equivalent to @seen['baz']

So, the thing that's being modified by all those pushes is the object
returned as the default value for failed lookups on @seen; and it's
aliased by the variable bob.  This certainly breaks my expectations of
how Hash#new should behave: I would expect that hashes hide the instance
variable that stores the default value, so that the only way to modify
it would be Hash#default=.

Does anybody ever make use of this aliasing?  Would it be better to
have Hash copy the argument to new(), and return copies of it as the
default value?  Or is using a mutable object as the default just a bad
idea?


PS I ended up not needing that data structure, but after seeing my
mistake I managed to get the behavior I wanted this way:

  class StackDict < Hash
    def [](key)
      if self.has_key? key
        super(key)
      else
        self[key] = Array.new
      end
    end
  end

  @seen = StackDict.new
  @seen['foo'].push('bar')
  @seen     # => {"foo"=>["bar"]}

-- 
Luis Casillas
Department of Linguistics
Stanford University
http://www.stanford.edu/~casillas/

"This fence is here for your protection.  Do not approach or try to
cross, or you will be shot."
-- Text of sign on US-installed barbed wire fence around village of 
   Abu Hishma, Iraq.  (NY Times, Dec. 7, 2003)


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