[#93964] perl6 grammar rules in ruby — Charles Comstock <cc1@...>

Has anyone taken a look at the idea of having embedded grammars in ruby

21 messages 2004/03/01

[#94023] Why's (Poignant) Guide to Ruby, Chapter Four: Little Leaves of Code — why the lucky stiff <ruby-talk@...>

Just wanted everyone to know that Chapter Four of the (Poignant) Guide

15 messages 2004/03/01

[#94037] Rubyx OS (Ruby oriented linux distro) — Andrew Walrond <andrew@...>

I am pleased to announce the first public release of Rubyx, codename

39 messages 2004/03/02

[#94062] pickaxe with pics? — Dick Davies <rasputnik@...>

17 messages 2004/03/02

[#94068] dynamic assignment of instance variables — gv@... (Gerard A.W. Vreeswijk)

$ cat try.rb

19 messages 2004/03/02

[#94110] why are Hashes so unsorted? what's your solution? — Ruby Baby <ruby@...>

I try to avoid questions like "Why doesn't Ruby do what ___ does?"

14 messages 2004/03/03

[#94144] Mozilla gets support for other client-side languages in the future, how about Ruby? — Erik Terpstra <erik@...>

Interesting slides:

9 messages 2004/03/03

[#94190] rescue inside block -> syntax error — Simon Strandgaard <neoneye@...>

While reading this message:

15 messages 2004/03/04

[#94424] random range — Charles Comstock <cc1@...>

Why doesn't rand take an integer range and then generate a random number

23 messages 2004/03/06
[#94432] Re: random range — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...> 2004/03/06

Charles Comstock wrote:

[#94434] Re: random range — Joel VanderWerf <vjoel@...> 2004/03/06

Hal Fulton wrote:

[#94436] Re: random range — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2004/03/06

Hi --

[#94487] Looking for HTML templating system — Andreas Schwarz <usenet@...>

I am looking for a templating system for my forum

19 messages 2004/03/07

[#94517] proposal: class<<obj to invoke extend_object — Simon Strandgaard <neoneye@...>

'obj.extend' and 'class<<obj' are close cousins..

22 messages 2004/03/07

[#94612] RedCloth 2.0.2 -- A Textile Humane Web Text Generator — why the lucky stiff <ruby-talk@...>

For your immediate perusal and swift renouncement:

10 messages 2004/03/09

[#94672] saving array — mopthisandthat@... (Phidippus)

After I do bunch of computations and create a huge array with bunch of

18 messages 2004/03/10

[#94686] Possibility of 2nd edition of _The Ruby Way_ — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...>

Hello, all.

17 messages 2004/03/10

[#94760] convincing a webhost to support ruby — Mark Hubbart <discord@...>

Hi all,

15 messages 2004/03/11

[#94813] Jruby 0.7.0 — Thomas E Enebo <enebo@...>

20 messages 2004/03/12
[#94815] Re: [ANN] Jruby 0.7.0 — gabriele renzi <surrender_it@...1.vip.ukl.yahoo.com> 2004/03/12

il Sat, 13 Mar 2004 02:33:49 +0900, Thomas E Enebo <enebo@acm.org> ha

[#94817] Re: [ANN] Jruby 0.7.0 — Thomas E Enebo <enebo@...> 2004/03/12

On Sat, 13 Mar 2004, gabriele renzi defenestrated me:

[#94935] RubyGems 0.2.0 — Chad Fowler <chad@...>

The first public release of RubyGems (http://rubygems.rubyforge.org)

26 messages 2004/03/14

[#94985] GUI testing on unix — Simon Strandgaard <neoneye@...>

I am curious to if there exists any GUI testing packages for unix.

17 messages 2004/03/16

[#94998] RAA trouble and maintenance — "NAKAMURA, Hiroshi" <nahi@...>

Hi,

14 messages 2004/03/16

[#95014] RAA - So much is broken — Lothar Scholz <mailinglists@...>

Hello,

15 messages 2004/03/16

[#95060] YAML tutorial — Matt Lawrence <matt@...>

Ok, I am so not a Ruby wizard. In fact, I don't do much development at

15 messages 2004/03/17

[#95098] groovy — David Garamond <lists@...6.isreserved.com>

Groovy, a scripting language targeted for JVM, was mentioned in Slashdot

14 messages 2004/03/17

[#95155] Installer packages for MacOSX — Mark Hubbart <discord@...>

Hi, all

18 messages 2004/03/17

[#95190] Thinking about a date-matching algorithm... — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...>

I did a little swapping of ideas with dblack on this. Now I'm

22 messages 2004/03/18

[#95200] Log4r 1.0.5 now with RubyGems option — Leon Torres <leon@...>

Greetings, I'm pleased to announce the release of Log4r 1.0.5. The

11 messages 2004/03/18

[#95230] Ruby and Mozilla — paul vudmaska <paul@...>

--- Simon Strandgaard <neoneye@adslhome.dk <http://us.f104.mail.yahoo.com/ym/Compose?To=neoneye@adslhome.dk&YY=90525&order=down&sort=date&pos=0&view=a&head=b>> wrote:

12 messages 2004/03/18

[#95290] calling outer-scope method of same name — "Bill Kelly" <billk@...>

Hi all!

16 messages 2004/03/18
[#95292] Re: calling outer-scope method of same name — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2004/03/18

Hi --

[#95340] Kwartz (2004-03-19) released — Makoto Kuwata <kwa@...>

Hi folks,

31 messages 2004/03/19
[#95367] Re: [ANN] Kwartz (2004-03-19) released — Andreas Schwarz <usenet@...> 2004/03/19

Hi,

[#95405] Re: [ANN] Kwartz (2004-03-19) released — Andreas Schwarz <usenet@...> 2004/03/19

Makoto Kuwata wrote:

[#95412] Re: [ANN] Kwartz (2004-03-19) released — Makoto Kuwata <kwa@...> 2004/03/19

Andreas,

[#95453] Re: [ANN] Kwartz (2004-03-19) released — Andreas Schwarz <usenet@...> 2004/03/20

Makoto Kuwata wrote:

[#95484] Re: [ANN] Kwartz (2004-03-19) released — Makoto Kuwata <kwa@...> 2004/03/21

[#95490] Re: [ANN] Kwartz (2004-03-19) released — Thomas Fini Hansen <beast@...> 2004/03/21

On Sun, Mar 21, 2004 at 11:39:26AM +0900, Makoto Kuwata wrote:

[#95518] Re: [ANN] Kwartz (2004-03-19) released — Andreas Schwarz <usenet@...> 2004/03/21

Makoto Kuwata wrote:

[#95553] Re: [ANN] Kwartz (2004-03-19) released — Andreas Schwarz <usenet@...> 2004/03/22

Makoto Kuwata wrote:

[#95386] Can $LOAD_PATH be relative? — ptkwt@... (Phil Tomson)

24 messages 2004/03/19
[#95389] Re: Can $LOAD_PATH be relative? — ptkwt@... (Phil Tomson) 2004/03/19

In article <wsqk71gd188.fsf@io.com>, Jim Menard <jimm@io.com> wrote:

[#95398] Re: Can $LOAD_PATH be relative? — Patrick Bennett <patrick.bennett@...> 2004/03/19

Phil Tomson wrote:

[#95400] Re: Can $LOAD_PATH be relative? — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2004/03/19

Hi --

[#95403] Re: Can $LOAD_PATH be relative? — Patrick Bennett <patrick.bennett@...> 2004/03/19

[#95434] converting javascript to ruby (nested methods) — yvon.thoravalNO-SPAM@... (Yvon Thoraval)

i have a script written in javascript and want to translate it into ruby

10 messages 2004/03/20

[#95517] What to gem? — Robert Feldt <feldt@...>

Hi,

14 messages 2004/03/21

[#95560] Need some advice on PickAxe II — Dave Thomas <dave@...>

Folks:

74 messages 2004/03/22

[#95636] Tempfile consuming a lot of memory — thomass@... (Thomas)

I'm using a lot of Tempfile's and I have been made aware that they

17 messages 2004/03/23

[#95693] proposal - enforce lower_case for variables and methods — Simon Strandgaard <neoneye@...>

Ruby does already enforce CamelCase for class/modules.

29 messages 2004/03/24

[#95769] File.stat.size errors with file sizes over 2Gigs. — walter@...

File.stat('file_name').size returns erroneous file sizes when the

16 messages 2004/03/24

[#95782] Quick Introduction to RubyGems — Gavin Sinclair <gsinclair@...>

Hi folks,

17 messages 2004/03/24

[#95875] Errors with "make" step, while compiling ruby under AIX 5.2 — Ruby Ruby <ruby4lover@...>

I am wanted to install ruby 1.8.1 under AIX 5.2. During the installation, while doing the "make" part of it, the process abruptily ended with the following errors:

15 messages 2004/03/25
[#95883] Re: Errors with "make" step, while compiling ruby under AIX 5.2 — nobu.nokada@... 2004/03/26

Hi,

[#95918] Re: Errors with "make" step, while compiling ruby under AIX 5.2 — Ruby Ruby <ruby4lover@...> 2004/03/26

I am sorry to insist but this is important to me.

[#95960] Status of AOP in Ruby — Markus Jais <markusjais@...>

Hello

22 messages 2004/03/27

[#95984] deciding between ruby and python — "Serve Lau" <ik@...>

I'm trying to decide to learn either python or ruby. Are there fundamental

119 messages 2004/03/28
[#96006] Re: deciding between ruby and python — klausm0762@... (Klaus Momberger) 2004/03/28

"Serve Lau" <ik@detongiser.com> wrote in message news:<106dlen5mr97q76@corp.supernews.com>...

[#96566] Re: deciding between ruby and python — Ville Vainio <ville@...> 2004/04/05

[#96503] Re: deciding between ruby and python — Ville Vainio <ville@...> 2004/04/04

>>>>> "James" == James Britt <jamesUNDERBARb@neurogami.com> writes:

[#96508] Re: deciding between ruby and python — Dan Doel <djd15@...> 2004/04/04

As you say, this whole thread has been done many times before.

[#96691] Re: deciding between ruby and python — gabriele renzi <surrender_it@...1.vip.ukl.yahoo.com> 2004/04/07

il Wed, 07 Apr 2004 05:35:39 GMT, dagbrown@LART.ca (Dave Brown) ha

[#95992] Madeleine 0.6 — Anders Bengtsson <ndrsbngtssn@...>

23 messages 2004/03/28

Re: Need some advice on PickAxe II

From: Charles Comstock <cc1@...>
Date: 2004-03-23 05:24:29 UTC
List: ruby-talk #95590
Lothar Scholz wrote:

> Hello Charles,
> 
> Monday, March 22, 2004, 8:14:30 PM, you wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> CC> I think this is an excellent idea, what the community is particularly
> CC> lacking in terms of documentation is examples and usage.  API info is
> CC> important, particularly if it's an obscure section, but when I look at a
> CC> new library I want to know what it's capable of, and that's what 
> CC> examples show.
> 
> And immediately followed by shaking your head because you can't find
> out what the method returns or how the error handling is done -
> okay real programmers don't need error handling as long as your
> computer has a reset button.
> 
> So both are very very necessary for a successful library.
> But it still leaves the problem that the book would be around 2000
> pages. Some publishes like to hear this. So maybe moving from AW to
> Wrox Press may be a solution :-)
> 
> 

I'm not saying we don't need the API, it just bothers me when people 
believe that an API is an acceptable way to learn the library from the 
getgo.  If the API is well documented enough to have decent tutorials in 
it then perhaps, but that is not what most of the API's I have seen 
possess, though I find java to suffer from this even worse then ruby. 
That is one thing I was REALLY impressed by python about, a number of 
there core libraries were extremely well documented in a tutorial 
fashion, which then ended in an API.  That means you find out how it 
works, how to use it, and then when you have questions on the gritty 
details you wade into the deep part.  If you just hand someone an API, I 
find it very slow to start using, and often wind up misusing the library 
the first time through.

As far as pickaxe goes, I think it should be medium length.  It could be 
a touch longer then it is now, maybe a little denser, slightly smaller 
font, etc, but no I don't want a 2000 page "How To Program In ..." book. 


Obviously there is a balance, but it's really nice to have a few 
examples as templates to expand upon.  Definitely include a examples for 
each library, and then give more specific info on some of the more 
important general purpose libraries.

Charles Comstock

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