[#86984] Attempted roadmap of future instance variables.... — "David A. Black" <dblack@...>

Hi --

81 messages 2003/12/02
[#86998] Re: Attempted roadmap of future instance variables.... — Steve Tuckner <STUCKNER@...> 2003/12/02

So what is the relationship between @_ vars and @vars that are defined in a

[#87001] Re: Attempted roadmap of future instance variables.... — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2003/12/02

Hi --

[#87006] Re: Attempted roadmap of future instance variables.... — Steve Tuckner <STUCKNER@...> 2003/12/02

Maybe I am being dense, so bear with me...

[#87011] Re: Attempted roadmap of future instance variables.... — Lyle Johnson <lyle@...> 2003/12/02

Steve Tuckner wrote:

[#87013] Re: Attempted roadmap of future instance variables.... — Steve Tuckner <STUCKNER@...> 2003/12/02

OK so the jist of it is that @_var variables are stored with the class of

[#87095] Re: Attempted roadmap of future instance variables.... — "Robert Klemme" <bob.news@...> 2003/12/03

[#87098] Re: Attempted roadmap of future instance variables.... — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2003/12/03

Hi --

[#87102] Re: Attempted roadmap of future instance variables.... — ts <decoux@...> 2003/12/03

>>>>> "D" == David A Black <dblack@wobblini.net> writes:

[#87244] Re: Attempted roadmap of future instance variables.... — "Christoph" <chr_mail@...> 2003/12/05

ts wrote:

[#87275] Re: Attempted roadmap of future instance variables.... — ts <decoux@...> 2003/12/05

>>>>> "C" == Christoph <chr_mail@gmx.net> writes:

[#87286] Re: Attempted roadmap of future instance variables.... — "Christoph" <chr_mail@...> 2003/12/05

ts wrote:

[#87290] Re: Attempted roadmap of future instance variables.... — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2003/12/05

Hi --

[#87308] Re: Attempted roadmap of future instance variables.... — Austin Ziegler <austin@...> 2003/12/05

On Fri, 5 Dec 2003 22:56:41 +0900, David A. Black wrote:

[#87310] Re: Attempted roadmap of future instance variables.... — "Christoph" <chr_mail@...> 2003/12/05

Austin Ziegler wrote:

[#87314] Re: Attempted roadmap of future instance variables.... — "T. Onoma" <transami@...> 2003/12/05

On Friday 05 December 2003 05:40 pm, Christoph wrote:

[#87318] Re: Attempted roadmap of future instance variables.... — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2003/12/05

Hi,

[#87335] Re: Attempted roadmap of future instance variables.... — Nathaniel Talbott <nathaniel@...> 2003/12/05

On Dec 5, 2003, at 12:15, Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:

[#87320] Re: Attempted roadmap of future instance variables.... — Austin Ziegler <austin@...> 2003/12/05

On Sat, 6 Dec 2003 01:40:42 +0900, Christoph wrote:

[#87322] Re: Attempted roadmap of future instance variables.... — "T. Onoma" <transami@...> 2003/12/05

On Friday 05 December 2003 06:41 pm, Austin Ziegler wrote:

[#87066] What's the best way to create methods dealing with an object of a certain class? — Leif K-Brooks <eurleif@...>

I want to add a method to be run on Strings. Currently, I'm just adding

14 messages 2003/12/03
[#87072] Re: What's the best way to create methods dealing with an object of a certain class? — Lyle Johnson <lyle@...> 2003/12/03

Leif K-Brooks wrote:

[#87083] Some Regexp — orlovdn@... (Dmitry N Orlov)

I want to get array from file like this:

20 messages 2003/12/03

[#87203] sorting — vanjac12@... (Van Jacques)

I'm not sure where to post about this problem, so

18 messages 2003/12/04

[#87233] Generalized break? — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...>

I hate to bring up possible language changes, since there is

14 messages 2003/12/04

[#87255] WeakRef and Object#hash — Samuel Tesla <samuel@...>

I'm trying to implement a weak key hash to use for generic objects.

37 messages 2003/12/05
[#87259] Dumb question to which I ought to know the answer by now — "Mark J. Reed" <markjreed@...> 2003/12/05

Is there an assignment version of Hash#values_at, so I can assign

[#87266] Re: Dumb question to which I ought to know the answer by now — Austin Ziegler <austin@...> 2003/12/05

On Fri, 5 Dec 2003 12:42:05 +0900, Mark J. Reed wrote:

[#87333] Re: Attempted roadmap of future instance variables.... — "Weirich, James" <James.Weirich@...>

From: David A. Black [mailto:dblack@wobblini.net]

18 messages 2003/12/05
[#87337] Re: Attempted roadmap of future instance variables.... — Chris Thomas <chris@...> 2003/12/05

[#87402] Re: Attempted roadmap of future instance variables.... — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2003/12/06

Hi,

[#87382] Idea: Linux PIM in Ruby — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...>

On my wishlist of top 20 things I'd like to do: A PIM for Linux.

30 messages 2003/12/06
[#87407] Re: Idea: Linux PIM in Ruby — Lyle Johnson <lyle@...> 2003/12/06

Hal Fulton wrote:

[#87409] rbbr-0.5.0 — Masao Mutoh <mutoh@...>

Hi,

18 messages 2003/12/06

[#87430] Ideas for replacing $0==__FILE__ — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...>

I've accepted now that my "generalized break" was a bad idea. In

26 messages 2003/12/06
[#87720] Re: Ideas for replacing $0==__FILE__ — Eric Hodel <drbrain@...7.net> 2003/12/10

Hal Fulton (hal9000@hypermetrics.com) wrote:

[#87723] Re: Ideas for replacing $0==__FILE__ — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...> 2003/12/10

Eric Hodel wrote:

[#87726] Re: Ideas for replacing $0==__FILE__ — Eric Hodel <drbrain@...7.net> 2003/12/10

Hal Fulton (hal9000@hypermetrics.com) wrote:

[#87459] Trying to create a Ruby daemon — Samuel Kvarnbrink <samuel.kvarnbrink@...>

Hi,

11 messages 2003/12/07

[#87553] format money — saggmannen@... (saggmannen)

Hello, is there a way to format "Money"-style floats in ruby. E.g:

25 messages 2003/12/08

[#87587] Adjusting the Scope of Blocks — Mark Cox <mark_cox@...>

Hi,

22 messages 2003/12/09
[#87606] Re: Adjusting the Scope of Blocks — "Robert Klemme" <bob.news@...> 2003/12/09

[#87620] Re: Adjusting the Scope of Blocks — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2003/12/09

Hi --

[#87626] ANN: REXML 2.7.2 — ser@... (Sean Russell)

Hi,

18 messages 2003/12/09

[#87638] Inheriting variables, super, and "not super"? — Hugh Sasse Staff Elec Eng <hgs@...>

Is there a way in a method to say

11 messages 2003/12/09

[#87706] Docs for Socket, OpenSSL, etc — "James F. Hranicky" <jfh@...>

Are there any plans to add docs for modules like Socket and OpenSSL, etc to

23 messages 2003/12/10
[#87766] Re: Docs for Socket, OpenSSL, etc — Simon Strandgaard <neoneye@...> 2003/12/11

On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 23:20:21 +0900, James F. Hranicky wrote:

[#87769] Re: Docs for Socket, OpenSSL, etc — "James F. Hranicky" <jfh@...> 2003/12/11

On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 20:57:00 +0900

[#87780] Re: Docs for Socket, OpenSSL, etc — Dave Thomas <dave@...> 2003/12/11

[#87781] Re: Docs for Socket, OpenSSL, etc — "James F. Hranicky" <jfh@...> 2003/12/11

On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 00:07:28 +0900

[#87775] prog for g.c.d. of 2 integers — vanjac12@... (Van Jacques)

Topics from mathematics make good practice programs, IMO.

13 messages 2003/12/11

[#87783] problems with racc: $end token — "Luke A. Kanies" <luke@...>

Hello,

14 messages 2003/12/11
[#87789] Re: problems with racc: $end token — Jim Freeze <jim@...> 2003/12/11

On Friday, 12 December 2003 at 0:42:30 +0900, Luke A. Kanies wrote:

[#87819] Ruby-Talk Subject Matters — "T. Onoma" <transami@...>

Out of curiosity, how do others feel about "suggestive" threads? Do you feel

15 messages 2003/12/11

[#87856] Simple issue giving problems — Brad <coish@...>

Hello all,

17 messages 2003/12/11

[#88031] inplace assignment — "T. Onoma" <transami@...>

is there anyway, anyway at all, ugly hacks accepted, of doing inplace

40 messages 2003/12/14
[#88032] Re: inplace assignment — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...> 2003/12/14

T. Onoma wrote:

[#88034] Re: inplace assignment — "T. Onoma" <transami@...> 2003/12/14

On Sunday 14 December 2003 05:51 am, Hal Fulton wrote:

[#88037] Re: inplace assignment — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...> 2003/12/14

T. Onoma wrote:

[#88041] Re: inplace assignment — "T. Onoma" <transami@...> 2003/12/14

On Sunday 14 December 2003 07:49 am, Hal Fulton wrote:

[#88056] Re: inplace assignment — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2003/12/14

On Sun, 14 Dec 2003, T. Onoma wrote:

[#88059] Re: inplace assignment — "T. Onoma" <transami@...> 2003/12/14

On Sunday 14 December 2003 03:59 pm, David A. Black wrote:

[#88064] Re: inplace assignment — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2003/12/14

On Mon, 15 Dec 2003, T. Onoma wrote:

[#88077] All there is to know about Duck Typing (was: inplace assignment) — "T. Onoma" <transami@...> 2003/12/14

Alright, a number of things related to Duck Tpying have been popping up and I

[#88081] Re: All there is to know about Duck Typing (was: inplace assignment) — "David Naseby" <david.naseby@...> 2003/12/14

> -----Original Message-----

[#88147] extremely strange segfault — "Luke A. Kanies" <luke@...>

Hi all,

14 messages 2003/12/15

[#88150] UnboundMethods Useless? — "T. Onoma" <transami@...>

Urrrr.....

34 messages 2003/12/15
[#88239] Re: UnboundMethods Useless? — Dan Doel <djd15@...> 2003/12/16

You can do stuff like this:

[#88309] Re: UnboundMethods Useless? — "T. Onoma" <transami@...> 2003/12/17

On Tuesday 16 December 2003 08:54 pm, Dan Doel wrote:

[#88322] Re: UnboundMethods Useless? — Chad Fowler <chad@...> 2003/12/17

On Wed, 17 Dec 2003, T. Onoma wrote:

[#88323] Re: UnboundMethods Useless? — ts <decoux@...> 2003/12/17

>>>>> "C" == Chad Fowler <chad@chadfowler.com> writes:

[#88327] Re: UnboundMethods Useless? — "T. Onoma" <transami@...> 2003/12/17

On Wednesday 17 December 2003 01:21 pm, ts wrote:

[#88328] Re: UnboundMethods Useless? — ts <decoux@...> 2003/12/17

>>>>> "T" == T Onoma <transami@runbox.com> writes:

[#88332] Re: UnboundMethods Useless? — "T. Onoma" <transami@...> 2003/12/17

On Wednesday 17 December 2003 01:59 pm, ts wrote:

[#88333] Re: UnboundMethods Useless? — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2003/12/17

On Wed, 17 Dec 2003, T. Onoma wrote:

[#88336] Re: UnboundMethods Useless? — Peter <Peter.Vanbroekhoven@...> 2003/12/17

> I don't know what you mean by (ir)reversible, but the point is that

[#88337] Re: UnboundMethods Useless? — ts <decoux@...> 2003/12/17

>>>>> "P" == Peter <Peter.Vanbroekhoven@cs.kuleuven.ac.be> writes:

[#88159] Re: Extracting multiple lines from a file — "Berger, Daniel" <djberge@...>

> -----Original Message-----

18 messages 2003/12/15
[#88161] Re: Extracting multiple lines from a file — "Ron Coutts" <rcoutts@...> 2003/12/15

[#88166] Re: Extracting multiple lines from a file — "Mark J. Reed" <markjreed@...> 2003/12/15

On Tue, Dec 16, 2003 at 07:16:23AM +0900, Ron Coutts wrote:

[#88199] Re: Extracting multiple lines from a file — Derek Lewis <lewisd@...00f.net> 2003/12/16

On Tue, 16 Dec 2003, Mark J. Reed wrote:

[#88172] Copying methods from one class to another — "T. Onoma" <transami@...>

Is there any way to copy a method from one class to another?

22 messages 2003/12/16
[#88174] Re: Copying methods from one class to another — Jamis Buck <jgb3@...> 2003/12/16

T. Onoma wrote:

[#88183] Re: Copying methods from one class to another — "T. Onoma" <transami@...> 2003/12/16

On Tuesday 16 December 2003 05:23 am, Jamis Buck wrote:

[#88189] Re: Copying methods from one class to another — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2003/12/16

On Tue, 16 Dec 2003, T. Onoma wrote:

[#88191] Re: Copying methods from one class to another — "T. Onoma" <transami@...> 2003/12/16

On Tuesday 16 December 2003 02:51 pm, David A. Black wrote:

[#88195] Re: Copying methods from one class to another — Hacksaw <hacksaw@...> 2003/12/16

Sorry to step into the middle of a conversation, but what does this mean:

[#88211] Newbie questions — jfrapper@... (Jim Frapper)

I was wondering what the equivalent tools were to perldoc(ri is not)

44 messages 2003/12/16
[#88259] Re: Newbie questions — Chad Fowler <chad@...> 2003/12/16

On Wed, 17 Dec 2003, Jim Frapper wrote:

[#88266] Re: Newbie questions — Gavin Sinclair <gsinclair@...> 2003/12/16

On Wednesday, December 17, 2003, 8:10:19 AM, Chad wrote:

[#88270] Re: Newbie questions — Daniel Carrera <dcarrera@...> 2003/12/16

>

[#88271] Re: Newbie questions — "Luke A. Kanies" <luke@...> 2003/12/16

On Wed, 17 Dec 2003, Daniel Carrera wrote:

[#88272] Re: Newbie questions — Daniel Carrera <dcarrera@...> 2003/12/16

On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 07:07:45AM +0900, Luke A. Kanies wrote:

[#88280] Re: Newbie questions — "Luke A. Kanies" <luke@...> 2003/12/16

On Wed, 17 Dec 2003, Daniel Carrera wrote:

[#88370] Re: Newbie questions — Derek Lewis <lewisd@...00f.net> 2003/12/17

[#88220] Re: Newbie questions — "Berger, Daniel" <djberge@...>

> -----Original Message-----

31 messages 2003/12/16
[#88224] Re: Newbie questions — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...> 2003/12/16

Berger, Daniel wrote:

[#88227] Re: Newbie questions — Thomas Adam <thomas_adam16@...> 2003/12/16

--- Hal Fulton <hal9000@hypermetrics.com> wrote:

[#88228] Re: Newbie questions — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...> 2003/12/16

Thomas Adam wrote:

[#88289] Very odd IO problem — Brad <coish@...>

All:

18 messages 2003/12/17

[#88414] Yukihiro - Please ensure backwards compatibility — jobeicus@... (Joseph Benik)

having recently migrated one of my machines from a 1.6 flavor to the

14 messages 2003/12/18

[#88494] How to return more than one result from a method? — Tim Hunter <cyclists@...>

I'm trying to code a method that has two result values. The values are

14 messages 2003/12/19

[#88581] replacing two EOL chars by one — xah@... (Xah Lee)

i have a bunch of java files that has spaced-out formatting that i

23 messages 2003/12/20

[#88643] Ruby 1.8.1 preview4 — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto)

Hi,

32 messages 2003/12/22

[#88731] RubyGems and dependencies — sera@... (Francis Hwang)

Two RubyGems questions about dependencies:

16 messages 2003/12/23

[#88781] TkText freezes — quillion <me@...>

Hello all,

21 messages 2003/12/24

[#88814] ruby 1.8.1 — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto)

Merry Christmas,

25 messages 2003/12/24

[#88936] Inconsistent value of uninitialized variable — Gavin Sinclair <gsinclair@...>

The following statement, free of all context, generates an error:

10 messages 2003/12/28

[#88954] An addition to Array (or Enumerable)? — Harry Ohlsen <harryo@...>

Yesterday, I wanted to get the output from "ls -l some_file" and pull out just the file size and the file name. As I start writing this, I realise, of course, that I'd have been better off just using the File#size method, but I still think the issue I hit is interesting.

12 messages 2003/12/28

[#89015] ruby-dev summary 22273-22434 — "Takaaki Tateishi" <ttate@...>

Hello,

16 messages 2003/12/30
[#89016] Re: ruby-dev summary 22273-22434 — Austin Ziegler <austin@...> 2003/12/30

On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 00:45:11 +0900, Takaaki Tateishi wrote:

Re: mixin vs. multiple inheritence

From: "Robert Klemme" <bob.news@...>
Date: 2003-12-03 20:22:08 UTC
List: ruby-talk #87153
"Paul Brannan" <pbrannan@atdesk.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:20031203174412.GW11423@atdesk.com...
> On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 02:37:06AM +0900, Robert Klemme wrote:
> > > You can build as complicated a mixin graph as you can a MI graph. The
> > > difference is that because mixins are modules, they don't have their
> > > own state, but instead parasitically use the state of the class into
> > > which they are mixed.
> >
> > U sure about that?  Try this:
>
> <snip>
>
> > p X.new.instance_variables
>
> I think you misunderstood what Dave was saying.

I don't think so; maybe I wasn't clear enough.  The error is in the sentence
"The difference is that because mixins are modules, they don't have their
own state, but instead parasitically use the state of the class into which
they are mixed."

First, when talking about "their own state" this refers strictly speaking to
the class and module instance themself.  But I think, this is not what Dave
wanted to say.  Dave wanted to talk about the state of *instances* that are
not classes or modules.

Now the scene becomes clearer: modules don't use the state of the class,
they even don't use the state that a class *defined* ("defined" as in C++
and Java, where the class defines instance variables).  That's because
neither classes nor modules define the state of an instance.  Instance
variables come into existence by executing code (i.e. methods), and they are
bound to the instance to which the method belongs.  It doesn't matter which
class or module defined the method.  Important is the runtime instance at
hand.

So Ruby avoids the typical MI problems simply by not letting classes define
instance variables.  There's no space allocation for instance variables
because of a class definition.  There's just a bunch o methods that are
executed sooner or later.  "initialize" is not special with respect to
instance variables: it's just automatically executed on instance creation.
Neither classes nor modules define their own scope at the moment (that would
only change with @_var).

Classes and modules in Ruby have very little differences.  The main
difference beeing that there is only single inheritance between classes
while there is multiple inheritance with modules.  Additionally the syntax
to define these inheritance relationships is different.

>  This prints [ "@foo", "@bar" ].

Right.

>  That's because the module and the class in which it is
> included share the same state, exactly as Dave pointed out.

Hopefully I have made clearer what I was up to...

Kind regards

    robert


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