[#84664] CGI uses file size to distinguish between regular values and files — David Heinemeier Hansson <david@...>

I've been having a ton of problems handling file uploads with CGI.rb

23 messages 2003/11/02
[#84674] Re: CGI uses file size to distinguish between regular values and files — Simon Kitching <simon@...> 2003/11/03

Hi David,

[#84676] Re: CGI uses file size to distinguish between regular values and files — Dmitry Borodaenko <d.borodaenko@...> 2003/11/03

On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 02:29:08PM +0900, Simon Kitching wrote:

[#84678] Re: CGI uses file size to distinguish between regular values and files — Austin Ziegler <austin@...> 2003/11/03

On Mon, 3 Nov 2003 20:12:06 +0900, Dmitry Borodaenko wrote:

[#84692] Re: CGI uses file size to distinguish between regular values and files — Dmitry Borodaenko <d.borodaenko@...> 2003/11/03

On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 11:40:48PM +0900, Austin Ziegler wrote:

[#84700] Re: CGI uses file size to distinguish between regular values and files — Austin Ziegler <austin@...> 2003/11/03

On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 04:37:19 +0900, Dmitry Borodaenko wrote:

[#84701] Re: CGI uses file size to distinguish between regular values and files — Simon Kitching <simon@...> 2003/11/03

On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 10:29, Austin Ziegler wrote:

[#84703] Re: CGI uses file size to distinguish between regular values and files — Austin Ziegler <austin@...> 2003/11/03

On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 06:51:43 +0900, Simon Kitching wrote:

[#84708] Re: CGI uses file size to distinguish between regular values and files — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2003/11/04

Hi,

[#84735] Managing metadata about attribute types — Simon Kitching <simon@...>

Hi,

52 messages 2003/11/05
[#84740] Re: Managing metadata about attribute types — Austin Ziegler <austin@...> 2003/11/05

On Wed, 5 Nov 2003 09:38:16 +0900, Simon Kitching wrote:

[#84741] Re: Managing metadata about attribute types — Simon Kitching <simon@...> 2003/11/05

On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 17:09, Austin Ziegler wrote:

[#84762] Re: Managing metadata about attribute types — Simon Kitching <simon@...> 2003/11/06

What a vigorous discussion I seem to have triggered :-)

[#84770] Re: Managing metadata about attribute types — dblack@... 2003/11/06

Hi --

[#84780] Re: Managing metadata about attribute types — Ryan Pavlik <rpav@...> 2003/11/06

On Thu, 6 Nov 2003 12:45:39 +0900

[#84858] Re: Managing metadata about attribute types — "John W. Long" <ng@...> 2003/11/08

Ryan,

[#84847] Long-running daemon acquiring giant memory footprint — Jason DiCioccio <jd@...>

I have written a long-running daemon in ruby to handle dynamic DNS updates.

16 messages 2003/11/07

[#84900] Antwort: Re: Power of Interpreted Languages — Robert.Koepferl@...

25 messages 2003/11/10
[#84914] Re: Antwort: Re: Power of Interpreted Languages — Aredridel <aredridel@...> 2003/11/10

> But, would you implement a game with ruby?

[#84917] Re: Antwort: Re: Power of Interpreted Languages — Gregory Millam <walker@...> 2003/11/10

Received: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 01:21:15 +0900

[#84920] Re: Antwort: Re: Power of Interpreted Languages — "Sean O'Dell" <sean@...> 2003/11/10

On Monday 10 November 2003 09:28 am, Gregory Millam wrote:

[#84921] Ruby/Tk Some Basic Questions — "Zach Dennis" <zdennis@...> 2003/11/10

Hi,

[#84930] Re: Ruby/Tk Some Basic Questions — Hidetoshi NAGAI <nagai@...> 2003/11/11

Hi,

[#85097] substring: to the end of the string — KONTRA Gergely <kgergely@...>

Hi!

19 messages 2003/11/14

[#85104] Microsoft's C/C++ compiler freely available — "Nathaniel Talbott" <nathaniel@...>

Thought this might be interesting to those stuck on win32...

23 messages 2003/11/15
[#85106] Re: Microsoft's C/C++ compiler freely available — Daniel Carrera <dcarrera@...> 2003/11/15

Question:

[#85178] overload method in module_eval, how? — Simon Strandgaard <qj5nd7l02@...>

I want to overload a testcase method with debug-enabling wrapper.

13 messages 2003/11/17

[#85218] Access ftp-server through proxy — Kristian Sensen <ks@...>

14 messages 2003/11/17

[#85330] Yet Another Rite Thought: method combination — gabriele renzi <surrender_it@...1.vip.ukl.yahoo.com>

I just looked at matz' slides and I don't have a clear understanding

28 messages 2003/11/17

[#85421] Again, Rite explanation needed (keyword args and new hash syntax) — gabriele renzi <surrender_it@...1.vip.ukl.yahoo.com>

Hi gurus and nubys,

13 messages 2003/11/18

[#85488] Re: "stereotyping" (was: Re: Strong Typing (Re: Managing metadata about attribute types) )<Pine.LNX.4.44.0311171402340.1133-100000@ool-435 5dfae.dyn.optonline.net> — "Weirich, James" <James.Weirich@...>

David Black (dblack@wobblini.net) wrote:

121 messages 2003/11/18
[#85492] Re: "stereotyping" (was: Re: Strong Typing (Re: Managing metadata about attribute types) )<Pine.LNX.4.44.0311171402340.1133-100000@ool-435 5dfae.dyn.optonline.net> — Simon Kitching <simon@...> 2003/11/18

On Wed, 2003-11-19 at 10:30, Weirich, James wrote:

[#85499] Re: "stereotyping" (was: Re: Strong Typing (Re: Managing metadata about attribute types) )<Pine.LNX.4.44.0311171402340.1133-100000@ool-435 5dfae.dyn.optonline.net> — "Sean O'Dell" <sean@...> 2003/11/18

On Tuesday 18 November 2003 02:06 pm, Simon Kitching wrote:

[#85523] Re: "stereotyping" (was: Re: Strong Typing (Re: Managing metadata about attribute types) ) — Austin Ziegler <austin@...> 2003/11/19

On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 08:08:25 +0900, Sean O'Dell wrote:

[#85582] Re: "stereotyping" (was: Re: Strong Typing (Re: Managing metadata about attribute types) ) — "Sean O'Dell" <sean@...> 2003/11/19

On Tuesday 18 November 2003 10:30 pm, Austin Ziegler wrote:

[#85609] Re: "stereotyping" (was: Re: Strong Typing (Re: Managing metadata about attribute types) ) — Austin Ziegler <austin@...> 2003/11/19

On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 02:43:31 +0900, Sean O'Dell wrote:

[#85619] Re: "stereotyping" (was: Re: Strong Typing (Re: Managing metadata about attribute types) ) — "Sean O'Dell" <sean@...> 2003/11/19

On Wednesday 19 November 2003 12:04 pm, Austin Ziegler wrote:

[#85656] Re: "stereotyping" (was: Re: Strong Typing (Re: Managing metadata about attribute types) ) — Austin Ziegler <austin@...> 2003/11/19

On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 05:48:37 +0900, Sean O'Dell wrote:

[#85664] Re: "stereotyping" (was: Re: Strong Typing (Re: Managing metadata about attribute types) ) — "Sean O'Dell" <sean@...> 2003/11/19

On Wednesday 19 November 2003 03:00 pm, Austin Ziegler wrote:

[#85684] Re: "stereotyping" (was: Re: Strong Typing (Re: Managing metadata about attribute types) ) — Austin Ziegler <austin@...> 2003/11/20

On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 08:19:08 +0900, Sean O'Dell wrote:

[#85688] Re: "stereotyping" (was: Re: Strong Typing (Re: Managing metadata about attribute types) ) — Simon Kitching <simon@...> 2003/11/20

On Thu, 2003-11-20 at 14:06, Austin Ziegler wrote:

[#85734] Re: "stereotyping" (was: Re: Strong Typing (Re: Managing metadata about attribute types) ) — Thien Vuong <tvuong@...> 2003/11/20

[#85748] Re: "stereotyping" (was: Re: Strong Typing (Re: Managing metadata about attribute types) ) — Austin Ziegler <austin@...> 2003/11/20

On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 14:52:17 +0900, Thien Vuong wrote:

[#85854] Re: "stereotyping" (was: Re: Strong Typing (Re: Managing metadata about attribute types) ) — "Sean O'Dell" <sean@...> 2003/11/20

On Wednesday 19 November 2003 10:47 pm, Austin Ziegler wrote:

[#85858] Re: "stereotyping" (was: Re: Strong Typing (Re: Managing metadata about attribute types) ) — dblack@... 2003/11/20

Hi --

[#85895] Re: "stereotyping" (was: Re: Strong Typing (Re: Managing metadata about attribute types) ) — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2003/11/20

Hi,

[#85906] Re: "stereotyping" (was: Re: Strong Typing (Re: Managing metadata about attribute types) ) — Chad Fowler <chad@...> 2003/11/20

On Fri, 21 Nov 2003, Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:

[#85908] Re: "stereotyping" (was: Re: Strong Typing (Re: Managing metadata about attribute types) ) — "Sean O'Dell" <sean@...> 2003/11/20

On Thursday 20 November 2003 02:40 pm, Chad Fowler wrote:

[#85938] Re: "stereotyping" (was: Re: Strong Typing (Re: Managing metadata about attribute types) ) — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2003/11/21

Hi,

[#85940] Re: "stereotyping" (was: Re: Strong Typing (Re: Managing metadata about attribute types) ) — "Sean O'Dell" <sean@...> 2003/11/21

On Thursday 20 November 2003 06:47 pm, Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:

[#85944] Re: "stereotyping" (was: Re: Strong Typing (Re: Managing metadata about attribute types) ) — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2003/11/21

Hi,

[#85951] Re: "stereotyping" (was: Re: Strong Typing (Re: Managing metadata about attribute types) ) — "Sean O'Dell" <sean@...> 2003/11/21

On Thursday 20 November 2003 07:58 pm, Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:

[#85970] Re: "stereotyping" (was: Re: Strong Typing (Re: Managing metadata about attribute types) ) — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2003/11/21

Hi,

[#85997] Re: "stereotyping" (was: Re: Strong Typing (Re: Managing metadata about attribute types) ) — "Sean O'Dell" <sean@...> 2003/11/21

On Friday 21 November 2003 02:20 am, Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:

[#86046] Re: "stereotyping" (was: Re: Strong Typing (Re: Managing metadata about attribute types) ) — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2003/11/21

Hi,

[#86071] Method wrapper question (was "stereotyping (was ...)) — Gavin Sinclair <gsinclair@...> 2003/11/22

On Saturday, November 22, 2003, 10:53:39 AM, Yukihiro wrote:

[#86085] Re: Method wrapper question (was "stereotyping (was ...)) — ts <decoux@...> 2003/11/22

>>>>> "G" == Gavin Sinclair <gsinclair@soyabean.com.au> writes:

[#86090] Re: Method wrapper question (was "stereotyping (was ...)) — Gavin Sinclair <gsinclair@...> 2003/11/22

On Saturday, November 22, 2003, 11:47:50 PM, ts wrote:

[#86091] Re: Method wrapper question (was "stereotyping (was ...)) — ts <decoux@...> 2003/11/22

>>>>> "G" == Gavin Sinclair <gsinclair@soyabean.com.au> writes:

[#86092] Re: Method wrapper question (was "stereotyping (was ...)) — "Christoph" <chr_mail@...> 2003/11/22

ts wrote:

[#86093] Re: Method wrapper question (was "stereotyping (was ...)) — ts <decoux@...> 2003/11/22

>>>>> "C" == Christoph <chr_mail@gmx.net> writes:

[#86095] Re: Method wrapper question (was "stereotyping (was ...)) — "Christoph" <chr_mail@...> 2003/11/22

ts wrote:

[#85590] Re: "stereotyping" (was: Re: Strong Typing (Re: Managing metadata about attribute types) ) — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2003/11/19

Hi --

[#85597] Re: "stereotyping" (was: Re: Strong Typing (Re: Managing metadata about attribute types) ) — "Sean O'Dell" <sean@...> 2003/11/19

On Wednesday 19 November 2003 10:33 am, David A. Black wrote:

[#85599] Re: "stereotyping" (was: Re: Strong Typing (Re: Managing metadata about attribute types) ) — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2003/11/19

Hi,

[#85604] Re: "stereotyping" (was: Re: Strong Typing (Re: Managing metadata about attribute types) ) — "Sean O'Dell" <sean@...> 2003/11/19

On Wednesday 19 November 2003 11:14 am, Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:

[#85503] String startswith/endswith in Ruby? — Dave Benjamin <ramen@...>

Hi all,

12 messages 2003/11/18

[#85518] Multi-dimensioned sparse array ? — Charles Hixson <charleshixsn@...>

Does anyone have an implementation of a multi-dimensioned sparse array?

14 messages 2003/11/19
[#85527] Re: Multi-dimensioned sparse array ? — Austin Ziegler <austin@...> 2003/11/19

On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 14:21:19 +0900, Charles Hixson wrote:

[#85526] Re: "stereotyping" (was: Re: Strong Typing (Re: Managing metadata about attribute types) )<Pine.LNX.4.44.0311171402340.1133-100000@ool-4355dfae.dyn.optonline.net> <Pine.LNX.4.44.0311181524130.2236-100000@ool-4355dfae.dyn.optonline.net> — Thien Vuong <tvuong@...>

54 messages 2003/11/19
[#85544] Re: "stereotyping" (was: Re: Strong Typing (Re: Managing metadata about attribute types) — dblack@... 2003/11/19

[Apologies to anyone whose threading is getting messed up by the

[#85583] Re: "stereotyping" (was: Re: Strong Typing (Re: Managing metadata about attribute types) — "Sean O'Dell" <sean@...> 2003/11/19

On Wednesday 19 November 2003 03:55 am, dblack@wobblini.net wrote:

[#85588] Re: "stereotyping" (was: Re: Strong Typing (Re: Managing metadata about attribute types) — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2003/11/19

Hi --

[#85595] Re: "stereotyping" (was: Re: Strong Typing (Re: Managing metadata about attribute types) — "Sean O'Dell" <sean@...> 2003/11/19

On Wednesday 19 November 2003 10:27 am, David A. Black wrote:

[#85598] Re: "stereotyping" (was: Re: Strong Typing (Re: Managing metadata about attribute types) — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2003/11/19

Hi,

[#85601] Re: "stereotyping" (was: Re: Strong Typing (Re: Managing metadata about attribute types) — "Sean O'Dell" <sean@...> 2003/11/19

On Wednesday 19 November 2003 11:05 am, Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:

[#85605] Re: "stereotyping" (was: Re: Strong Typing (Re: Managing metadata about attribute types) — Chad Fowler <chad@...> 2003/11/19

On Thu, 20 Nov 2003, Sean O'Dell wrote:

[#85612] Re: "stereotyping" (was: Re: Strong Typing (Re: Managing metadata about attribute types) — "Sean O'Dell" <sean@...> 2003/11/19

On Wednesday 19 November 2003 11:46 am, Chad Fowler wrote:

[#85617] Re: "stereotyping" (was: Re: Strong Typing (Re: Managing metadata about attribute types) — Maik Schmidt <contact@...> 2003/11/19

Sean O'Dell wrote:

[#85629] Re: "stereotyping" (was: Re: Strong Typing (Re: Managing metadata about attribute types) — "Sean O'Dell" <sean@...> 2003/11/19

On Wednesday 19 November 2003 12:42 pm, Maik Schmidt wrote:

[#85543] Re: $& write-protected? — ts <decoux@...>

>>>>> "S" == Simon Strandgaard <none> writes:

14 messages 2003/11/19

[#85547] x.f! RCR — Greg McIntyre <greg@...>

It bugs me that some methods have a ! on the end and some don't. It

20 messages 2003/11/19

[#85698] Re: "stereotyping" — Michael Campbell <michael_s_campbell@...>

Sean O'Dell wrote:

19 messages 2003/11/20
[#85701] Re: "stereotyping" — "Sean O'Dell" <sean@...> 2003/11/20

On Wednesday 19 November 2003 07:01 pm, Michael Campbell wrote:

[#85704] Re: "stereotyping" — Michael campbell <michael_s_campbell@...> 2003/11/20

Sean O'Dell wrote:

[#85718] Re: "stereotyping" — Clifford Heath <cjh_nospam@...> 2003/11/20

Michael campbell wrote:

[#85757] Re: "stereotyping" — Julian Fitzell <julian@...4.com> 2003/11/20

Clifford Heath wrote:

[#85913] Re: "stereotyping" — Clifford Heath <cjh_nospam@...> 2003/11/20

Julian Fitzell wrote:

[#85713] Re: [ANN] win32-clipboard 0.1.0 — Daniel Berger <djberg96@...>

Oops - forgot the link:

14 messages 2003/11/20

[#85766] learning the "Ruby way" — mark.wirdnam@... (Mark Wirdnam)

**Hobby-programmer alarm**

24 messages 2003/11/20
[#85863] Re: learning the "Ruby way" — Chad Fowler <chad@...> 2003/11/20

On Thu, 20 Nov 2003, Mark Wirdnam wrote:

[#85821] iterator 0.1 — Simon Strandgaard <qj5nd7l02@...>

homepage:

22 messages 2003/11/20

[#85870] Re: "stereotyping" — Michael Campbell <michael_s_campbell@...>

Sean O'Dell wrote:

17 messages 2003/11/20

[#85886] Partial Euphoric Type Checking — "T. Onoma" <transami@...>

Greetings all Type Checkers!

16 messages 2003/11/20
[#85948] Re: Partial Euphoric Type Checking (now Ducked!) — "T. Onoma" <transami@...> 2003/11/21

quack! quack! I added duck typing capability to my euphoric type checking

[#85952] Re: Partial Euphoric Type Checking (Super Duck!?) — "T. Onoma" <transami@...> 2003/11/21

Now some for some rally crazy cross thought. First a complete interface

[#85957] Re: Partial Euphoric Type Checking (Super Duck!?) — "T. Onoma" <transami@...> 2003/11/21

for some cross rally some thought crazy. ( read: i need a type system for my

[#85981] Re: Partial Euphoric Type Checking (Super Duck!?) — Chris Morris <chrismo@...> 2003/11/21

> you see we have a problem here. it doesn't matter what methods are

[#85987] Re: Partial Euphoric Type Checking (Super Duck!?) — Peter <Peter.Vanbroekhoven@...> 2003/11/21

> > you see we have a problem here. it doesn't matter what methods are

[#85888] New Type Checking System Idea — "Sean O'Dell" <sean@...>

Taking comments into consideration, a totally new approach strikes me

22 messages 2003/11/20

[#85947] RubyConf 2003 Presentations Posted — Ryan Davis <ryand-ruby@...>

In absolute record time (5 days compared to 3 months), rubyconf 2003

11 messages 2003/11/21

[#86007] Re: "stereotyping" (was: Re: Strong Typing (Re: Managing metadata about attribute types) ) — "Weirich, James" <James.Weirich@...>

> This is a wonderful idea. Let me restate it to make sure I

13 messages 2003/11/21

[#86127] Ruby classes for MP3 de-/encoding — Dennis Oelkers <dennis@...>

Hello folks,

12 messages 2003/11/22

[#86183] "wrong argument type nil (expected String)" from Dir.chdir — Tim Kynerd <vxbrw58s02@...>

I'm running Ruby 1.6.8.

13 messages 2003/11/23

[#86202] Message "Insecure world writable dir ..." — Harry Ohlsen <harryo@...>

When File.popen() is passed an executable whose path contains a world writable directory, it produces a warning message.

19 messages 2003/11/24

[#86215] Library path relative to current .rb file — zoranlazarevic@... (Zoran Lazarevic)

One of the most irritating (missing) features of Ruby is inability to

12 messages 2003/11/24

[#86265] raise unless RUBY_VERSION[%r/^\s*\d+\.\d+/o].to_f >= 1.8 — "Ara.T.Howard" <ahoward@...>

25 messages 2003/11/24

[#86344] Re: Controlled block variables — "T. Onoma" <transami@...>

On Wednesday 26 November 2003 09:10 am, Guy Decoux wrote:

42 messages 2003/11/26
[#86346] Re: Controlled block variables — ts <decoux@...> 2003/11/26

>>>>> "T" == T Onoma <transami@runbox.com> writes:

[#86347] Re: Controlled block variables — "T. Onoma" <transami@...> 2003/11/26

On Wednesday 26 November 2003 09:56 am, ts wrote:

[#86369] Re: Controlled block variables — Dan Doel <djd15@...> 2003/11/26

I actually have wondered in the past why there isn't an #eval that takes

[#86390] Re: Controlled block variables — "T. Onoma" <transami@...> 2003/11/26

On Wednesday 26 November 2003 03:57 pm, Dan Doel wrote:

[#86360] turning a string into array of ASCII bytes — David Garamond <lists@...6.isreserved.com>

What is the shortest, most straightforward way (without temporary

17 messages 2003/11/26

[#86391] Method wrapping — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...>

I've come late into the thread on this, and I haven't read all

62 messages 2003/11/26
[#86445] Re: Method wrapping — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2003/11/26

Hi,

[#86457] Re: Method wrapping — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...> 2003/11/27

Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:

[#86462] Re: Method wrapping — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2003/11/27

Hi,

[#86470] Re: Method wrapping — "T. Onoma" <transami@...> 2003/11/27

On Thursday 27 November 2003 07:07 am, Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:

[#86493] Re: Method wrapping — "Christoph" <chr_mail@...> 2003/11/27

Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:

[#86498] Re: Method wrapping — Peter <Peter.Vanbroekhoven@...> 2003/11/27

> I have asked the same this question as well and I really wish

[#86508] Re: Method wrapping — "Christoph" <chr_mail@...> 2003/11/27

From: Peter wrote:

[#86512] Re: Method wrapping — Peter <Peter.Vanbroekhoven@...> 2003/11/27

> This sound all good and well however this does not change the

[#86550] pre/post question/idea — "David A. Black" <dblack@...>

Hello --

21 messages 2003/11/28

[#86646] Underpinnings of Method Wrapping — "T. Onoma" <transami@...>

Its important that we clearly seperate the issue of "surface" syntax from the

54 messages 2003/11/28
[#86657] Re: Underpinnings of Method Wrapping — Peter <Peter.Vanbroekhoven@...> 2003/11/28

> Thoughts?

[#86692] Re: Underpinnings of Method Wrapping — "T. Onoma" <transami@...> 2003/11/29

On Saturday 29 November 2003 12:44 am, Peter wrote:

[#86707] Re: Underpinnings of Method Wrapping — Peter <Peter.Vanbroekhoven@...> 2003/11/29

> I originally had a small paragraph touching on this, but I took it out b/c I

[#86726] Re: Underpinnings of Method Wrapping — "T. Onoma" <transami@...> 2003/11/29

On Saturday 29 November 2003 04:26 pm, Peter wrote:

[#86734] Re: Underpinnings of Method Wrapping — Peter <Peter.Vanbroekhoven@...> 2003/11/30

> The join-points are the only thing required to facilitate all of this. So I

[#86747] Re: Underpinnings of Method Wrapping — "T. Onoma" <transami@...> 2003/11/30

On Sunday 30 November 2003 01:01 am, Peter wrote:

[#86794] Re: Underpinnings of Method Wrapping — Peter <Peter.Vanbroekhoven@...> 2003/11/30

> How would they know? ;-)

[#86812] Re: Underpinnings of Method Wrapping — "T. Onoma" <transami@...> 2003/11/30

On Sunday 30 November 2003 03:57 pm, Peter wrote:

[#86824] Re: Underpinnings of Method Wrapping — Peter <Peter.Vanbroekhoven@...> 2003/11/30

> > I like the proper separation, but why pre and post for extrinsic and def

[#86831] Re: Underpinnings of Method Wrapping — "T. Onoma" <transami@...> 2003/11/30

On Sunday 30 November 2003 09:39 pm, Peter wrote:

[#86835] Re: Underpinnings of Method Wrapping — Peter <Peter.Vanbroekhoven@...> 2003/11/30

> You're absolutely right. Hmm...Granted this is acting in accordance to an

[#86873] Re: Underpinnings of Method Wrapping — "T. Onoma" <transami@...> 2003/12/01

On Monday 01 December 2003 12:25 am, Peter wrote:

[#86911] Re: Underpinnings of Method Wrapping — Peter <Peter.Vanbroekhoven@...> 2003/12/01

> I was thinking about the terms. To really distinguish these two types of wraps

[#86943] Re: Underpinnings of Method Wrapping — "T. Onoma" <transami@...> 2003/12/02

On Monday 01 December 2003 06:58 pm, Peter wrote:

[#87024] Re: Underpinnings of Method Wrapping — Peter <Peter.Vanbroekhoven@...> 2003/12/02

> OK as in so-so, or OK as in yes? If just so-so we'll find something better. I

[#87034] Re: Underpinnings of Method Wrapping — "T. Onoma" <transami@...> 2003/12/02

Peter:

[#87068] Re: Underpinnings of Method Wrapping — Peter <Peter.Vanbroekhoven@...> 2003/12/03

[snip]

[#87242] Re: Underpinnings of Method Wrapping — "T. Onoma" <transami@...> 2003/12/04

On Wednesday 03 December 2003 03:21 am, Peter wrote:

[#87478] Re: Underpinnings of Method Wrapping — "T. Onoma" <transami@...> 2003/12/07

Here is an intereseting problem that I'm currently facing and which is related

[#87481] Re: Underpinnings of Method Wrapping — Peter <Peter.Vanbroekhoven@...> 2003/12/07

> As always, I may be over looking the obvious. But if anyone has a current

[#87491] Re: Underpinnings of Method Wrapping — "T. Onoma" <transami@...> 2003/12/08

On Sunday 07 December 2003 08:02 pm, Peter wrote:

[#87575] Re: Underpinnings of Method Wrapping — Peter <Peter.Vanbroekhoven@...> 2003/12/09

Hi Tom,

[#87609] Re: Underpinnings of Method Wrapping — "T. Onoma" <transami@...> 2003/12/09

On Tuesday 09 December 2003 01:05 am, Peter wrote:

[#87686] Re: Underpinnings of Method Wrapping — Peter <Peter.Vanbroekhoven@...> 2003/12/10

> QUICK SIDE NOTE: might be nice to have something for all those dang ends. How

[#87688] Re: Underpinnings of Method Wrapping — "T. Onoma" <transami@...> 2003/12/10

On Wednesday 10 December 2003 05:16 am, Peter wrote:

[#87713] Re: Underpinnings of Method Wrapping — Peter <Peter.Vanbroekhoven@...> 2003/12/10

> Mine too! But I was joking :) Well, half way. It would be nice to have a good

[#87731] Re: Underpinnings of Method Wrapping — "T. Onoma" <transami@...> 2003/12/10

On Wednesday 10 December 2003 05:55 pm, Peter wrote:

[#87747] Re: Underpinnings of Method Wrapping — Peter <Peter.Vanbroekhoven@...> 2003/12/11

> Well, I thought of using the underscores to allow one to indent as needed to

[#87761] Re: Underpinnings of Method Wrapping — "T. Onoma" <transami@...> 2003/12/11

On Thursday 11 December 2003 04:04 am, Peter wrote:

[#86655] anything disappearing from Ruby for 2.0? — "David A. Black" <dblack@...>

Hi --

62 messages 2003/11/28
[#86710] Re: anything disappearing from Ruby for 2.0? — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2003/11/29

Hi,

[#86737] Re: anything disappearing from Ruby for 2.0? — Michael Campbell <michael_s_campbell@...> 2003/11/30

Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:

[#86779] Re: anything disappearing from Ruby for 2.0? — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2003/11/30

Hi,

[#86661] rdoc included in standard distribution? — Chad Fowler <chad@...>

I've seen various plans for this dating back more than a year. Is it

16 messages 2003/11/29

[#86669] Class-level readers and writers — Carl Youngblood <carl@...>

I've been working with the class attribute shortcuts that Hal introduced

36 messages 2003/11/29
[#86675] Re: Class-level readers and writers — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2003/11/29

Hi --

[#86722] Re: Class-level readers and writers — Carl Youngblood <carl@...> 2003/11/29

> (Just as a footnote, you can also use "normal" accessor shortcuts at

[#86723] Re: Class-level readers and writers — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2003/11/29

Hi --

[#86728] Re: Class-level readers and writers — "Christoph" <chr_mail@...> 2003/11/29

David A. Black wrote:

[#86752] Re: Class-level readers and writers — "T. Onoma" <transami@...> 2003/11/30

On Saturday 29 November 2003 10:59 pm, Christoph wrote:

[#86782] Re: Class-level readers and writers — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2003/11/30

Hello --

[#86801] Re: Class-level readers and writers — "T. Onoma" <transami@...> 2003/11/30

On Sunday 30 November 2003 12:11 pm, David A. Black wrote:

[#86807] Re: Class-level readers and writers — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2003/11/30

Hi --

[#86808] Re: Class-level readers and writers — ts <decoux@...> 2003/11/30

>>>>> "D" == David A Black <dblack@wobblini.net> writes:

[#86815] Re: Class-level readers and writers — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2003/11/30

Hi --

[#86673] New to ruby--trouble with initializing arrays — vanjac12@... (Van Jacques)

I am writing a practice program; the Game of Life. Naturally I am having troubles.

11 messages 2003/11/29

[#86784] Re: anything disappearing from Ruby for 2.0? — "Gavri Savio Fernandez" <Gavri_F@...>

> From: Chris Uppal [mailto:chris.uppal@metagnostic.REMOVE-THIS.org]

21 messages 2003/11/30
[#86800] Re: anything disappearing from Ruby for 2.0? — "Chris Uppal" <chris.uppal@...> 2003/11/30

Gavri Savio Fernandez wrote:

Re: Underpinnings of Method Wrapping

From: "T. Onoma" <transami@...>
Date: 2003-11-30 12:40:52 UTC
List: ruby-talk #86785
On Sunday 30 November 2003 10:38 am, Mauricio Fern疣dez wrote:
> This works fine with singletons, but there is a problem if you want to
> do it for "normal" instance methods (i.e. wrapping the method for all
> objects of a given class), see [ruby-talk:75334] for an explanation and
> [ruby-talk:75290] for an implementation using an explicit indication
> "plz make this method available with super after redefinition".

Thank you very much for pointing this post out. It contains a very interesting 
point that requires some close analysis. In doing so we will discover that it 
is actually a little short sighted, but nonetheless hints at a very 
interesting direction for extending the capabilites of mixins, that is 
subequently the basis for class definable singletons. Let me explain.

The first thing to notice is that Matz' solution only solves the proposed 
problem to one degree, i.e. for one layer of wrapping. Beyond that you run 
into the same issue --if Array had also defined each:before (now each:pre) 
then the order of occurance would again be the only available criteria for 
determining the wrap stack order. So even with Matz's solution the problem is 
not solved for the general case.

One could also argue, that the problem itself is a bit dubious, b/c #each is 
not defined by Enumerabe, but rather defines methods that utilize #each as 
given by other classes that mixin Enumerable. Moreover, by their very nature 
Mixins do not prepend, like singletons, but rather append, like superclasses. 
So the notion is a bit misconceived from the get-go. But I am not one to 
nitpick such "excuses"! It is understandable that one might think of doing 
something like this as a convenient way to aspect classes that partake of 
Enumerability. So...

To accomplish this means we must somehow overcome the fact that Mixins only 
append. Take this working "hack-up":

  class Array
    def testing
      print "T"
    end
  end

  enum = Enumerable.dup
  enum.module_eval {
    def each
      print "before"
      super
    end
    def testing
      print "("
      super
      print ")"
    end
  }

  a = [1,2]
  a.extend(enum)
  a.each { |i| print i }; puts  # => before12
  a.testing; puts  $ => (T)

This achieves the desired result becasue we have prepended the Enumerable 
module to the Array using extend, as opposed to the "under the hood" 
appending that occurs with 'include Enumerable'.

So what would it take to generalize this in a class definable way? It is of 
course, essentially the same means that is required to generalize singleton 
definitions in a class defineable way. In the particluar case of Mixins, an 
interesting possibility comes to mind:

  module Enumerable
    prepend   # <= keyword
    def each
      puts "before"
      super
    end
    # prepend :each  # <= maybe an additional way to do it
  end

So everything following the prepend keyword would be prepended as "mixin 
singleton class" rather then appended as "mixin superclasss". And so are 
problem is solved in all cases.

---

On a side note, it is interesting to consider the fact that we don't have the 
keyword super for classes and modules.

  class Array
    super
    ...
  end

So that without super we could completely redefine Array, while with super, it 
would mean we are adding to it, as we currently do. As it stands, I wonder, 
is there even a way to wholly and easily redefine any built-in class or 
module? A way does not immediately come to mind, albiet this is something 
that would be extremely rare anyway.

---

It should be apparent enough by now that much of what I'm proposing is greater 
uniformity in the way methods, classes, and modules are defined and 
manipulated. There is no doubt in my mind that this would make Ruby a better 
language. Take a look at the general criteria of a good language as given by 
Lambda the Ultimate and you will see Uniformity as second on the list under 
Simplicity.

  1. Simplicity
  2. Uniformity
  3. Orthogonality
  ...

from http://lambda.weblogs.com/criteria

-t0






 






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