From: Thien Vuong <tvuong@...>
Date: 2003-11-20T17:17:14+09:00
Subject: Re: "stereotyping" (was: Re: Strong Typing (Re: Managing metadata about attribute types) )



Sean O'Dell wrote:

>>
>>*shrug* I don't think that it's necessary. Most people I've talked
>>to have been convinced that Ruby's worth looking at because of the
>>deep object orientation.
> 
> 
> This is a baby-and-bathwater issue.  I still HATE that I can't control when 
> objects die and that there's no destructor.  Yes, garbage collection is 
> nifty.  Yes, I use yield now for doing cleanup, and it serves as a 
> replacement, but in the year or two I've been programming in Ruby, I still 
> hate that objects just hang around until the collector gets them, and I hate 
> that all I get is a finalizer.
> 
> I LOVE Ruby, but I don't love that part, and probably never will.
> 
> 

Yeah - I hate that part too (with the presumption that an live object is 
only a glob of memory - creates many sort of half-alive/zombie that we 
have to deal with).  But it is just GC/not Ruby, and other languages - 
especially Java - that popularize this approach - so we just have to 
learn to deal with it well now.

Thien