[#74825] Millisecond in time. — place4oracle@... (Warren)

Hi,

17 messages 2003/07/01
[#74827] Re: Millisecond in time. — Harry Ohlsen <harryo@...> 2003/07/01

Warren wrote:

[#74841] Re: Millisecond in time. — Anders Borch <spam@...> 2003/07/01

Harry Ohlsen wrote:

[#74853] Aeditor-0.1 is unleashed — "Simon Strandgaard" <0bz63fz3m1qt3001@...>

Aeditor is a editor-widget written in Ruby. The primary

17 messages 2003/07/01

[#74884] Speaking of I18N... — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...>

I don't suppose anyone has implemented any

17 messages 2003/07/01

[#74894] rb_gc() and scan stack — "Simon Strandgaard" <0bz63fz3m1qt3001@...>

I were experimenting with Init_stack, when I discovered a flaw in my mind.

12 messages 2003/07/01

[#74912] Ruby9i now available — Jim Cain <list@...>

All,

18 messages 2003/07/02

[#74980] OT: It's that time of year again ... — james_b <james_b@...>

Happy Birthmonth to all fellow Rubyists born in July!

19 messages 2003/07/02

[#75023] A Quick Guide to SQLite and Ruby — why the lucky stiff <ruby-talk@...>

-Talkers:

17 messages 2003/07/02

[#75119] purpose of replace method — Ian Macdonald <ian@...>

Hi,

17 messages 2003/07/04

[#75137] How to create Shell Links on Windows? — Timon Christl <me@...>

Is there an easy way to create or modify shell links (.lnk) with ruby on

12 messages 2003/07/04

[#75160] seeking feedback on my first Ruby program — "Joe Cheng" <code@...>

I just took my first stab at writing a useful Ruby program. My programming

11 messages 2003/07/04

[#75307] Need regex to match "^\n" — Jim Freeze <jim@...>

Hi:

16 messages 2003/07/06

[#75369] Code Snippet: Array.shuffle — Stefan Arentz <stefan.arentz@...>

14 messages 2003/07/08

[#75420] My brief and torrid affair with Ruby. — Ray Cote <rgacote@...>

Hi List:

150 messages 2003/07/08
[#75421] Re: My brief and torrid affair with Ruby. — Daniel Carrera <dcarrera@...> 2003/07/09

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[#75425] Re: My brief and torrid affair with Ruby. — Ray Cote <rgacote@...> 2003/07/09

At 9:08 AM +0900 7/9/03, Daniel Carrera wrote:

[#75426] Re: My brief and torrid affair with Ruby. — Daniel Carrera <dcarrera@...> 2003/07/09

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[#75433] Re: My brief and torrid affair with Ruby. — Stephyn Butcher <tendzin.dorje@...> 2003/07/09

They don't call GPL a legal virus for nothing:

[#75527] Re: My brief and torrid affair with Ruby. — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...> 2003/07/09

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[#75529] Re: My brief and torrid affair with Ruby. — Daniel Carrera <dcarrera@...> 2003/07/09

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[#75548] OT: GPL - was Re: My brief and torrid affair with Ruby. — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...> 2003/07/09

> > Are you honestly saying that you don't understand

[#75565] Re: OT: GPL - was Re: My brief and torrid affair with Ruby. — Chalmers <feldt@...> 2003/07/09

Sorry for this long post and rambling. Just skip if you're not in

[#75588] Re: OT: GPL - was Re: My brief and torrid affair with Ruby. — Austin Ziegler <austin@...> 2003/07/10

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[#75610] Re: OT: GPL - was Re: My brief and torrid affair with Ruby. — Robert Feldt <feldt@...> 2003/07/10

Austin Ziegler <austin@halostatue.ca> skrev den Thu, 10 Jul 2003 10:10:03

[#75530] Re: My brief and torrid affair with Ruby. — "Michael Campbell" <michael_s_campbell@...> 2003/07/09

[#75531] Re: My brief and torrid affair with Ruby. — Daniel Carrera <dcarrera@...> 2003/07/09

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[#75711] Re: My brief and torrid affair with Ruby. — "Sean O'Dell" <sean@...> 2003/07/11

"Daniel Carrera" <dcarrera@math.umd.edu> wrote in message

[#75712] Re: My brief and torrid affair with Ruby. — Daniel Carrera <dcarrera@...> 2003/07/11

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[#75536] Re: My brief and torrid affair with Ruby. — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...> 2003/07/09

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[#75539] Re: My brief and torrid affair with Ruby. — "Gennady" <gfb@...> 2003/07/09

OK, Daniel, let's put it this way: if you do not use something there's

[#75438] NASA using Ruby? — Harry Ohlsen <harryo@...>

I noticed a reference in the intro blurb for Dave Thomas's talk at OSCON to NASA doing numerical simulations using Ruby.

24 messages 2003/07/09

[#75570] Ruby T-Shirt Idea — shout@... (Austin King)

Keywords: advocacy, silly t-shirts, Request For Feedback

43 messages 2003/07/09

[#75654] Re: Ruby T-Shirt Idea — "Orion Hunter" <orion2480@...>

What we need is a code snippet that is excessively long and obfuscate in

31 messages 2003/07/10

[#75767] Getting my IP address — Philip Mak <pmak@...>

Is there a piece of Ruby code somewhere that will tell me what my IP

13 messages 2003/07/11

[#75777] Re: OSCON report — "Volkmann, Mark" <Mark.Volkmann@...>

> -----Original Message-----

19 messages 2003/07/11
[#75810] Re: OSCON report — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2003/07/11

Hi,

[#75811] Re: OSCON report — Matt Lawrence <matt@...> 2003/07/11

On Sat, 12 Jul 2003, Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:

[#75852] ruby-mysql library load error — eric.anderson@... (Eric Anderson)

I am trying to get the ruby dbi library up and running on my machine.

10 messages 2003/07/12

[#75963] Custom method_missing doesn't trap super call — Richard Dale <Richard_Dale@...>

When I run the code below it produces the following output:

26 messages 2003/07/14

[#75975] Booleans — "Mark J. Reed" <markjreed@...>

Okay, as a convert from Perl to Ruby, I have to say that I love

14 messages 2003/07/14

[#75991] ruby-specific CGI question (I think) — "Kurt M. Dresner" <kdresner@...>

I'm using sessions and forms in my cgi script.

15 messages 2003/07/14

[#76058] How to reduce Ruby runtime error? — Xiangrong Fang <xrfang@...>

Hi my friends,

17 messages 2003/07/15

[#76121] Keyword "with" — "Robert Klemme" <bob.news@...>

66 messages 2003/07/16
[#76134] Re: Keyword "with" — "Robert Klemme" <bob.news@...> 2003/07/16

[#76143] Re: Keyword "with" — Peter Hickman <peter@...> 2003/07/16

Robert Klemme wrote:

[#76148] Other languages' features in Ruby — Ben Giddings <ben@...> 2003/07/16

Hrm, well I'm a Ruby/Java/C/C++/Python/Perl/Lisp/Javascript/PHP...

[#76149] Re: Keyword "with" — "Mark J. Reed" <markjreed@...> 2003/07/16

Peter (having a bad day) Hickman wrote:

[#76181] Re: Keyword "with" — Mark Wilson <mwilson13@...> 2003/07/16

[#76184] Re: Keyword "with" — "Michael Campbell" <michael_s_campbell@...> 2003/07/16

[#76293] Re: Keyword "with" — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...> 2003/07/17

----- Original Message -----

[#76145] Advocacy: Ruby on/with .net — "Thomas Sondergaard" <thomass@...>

I'd like a minute or two of your time as I try to sell you the idea of ruby

34 messages 2003/07/16

[#76196] OO Design question for Net::HTTP caching extension — Aredridel <aredridel@...>

I'm in the process of writing an HTTP-1.1 extension to Net::HTTP. At

10 messages 2003/07/16

[#76254] What's the point? — Jim Freeze <jim@...>

Hi

19 messages 2003/07/17

[#76336] Aliased setter methods behave differently than other methods? — Jim Cain <list@...>

Here's another question... I am aliasing and redefining certain methods,

11 messages 2003/07/18

[#76372] Binary counter — ptkwt@...1.aracnet.com (Phil Tomson)

I needed to test a class which had a certain number of 'binary' inputs (ie. each input

14 messages 2003/07/18

[#76396] chaining comparisons — "Kurt M. Dresner" <kdresner@...>

When I learned python I was overjoyed that I could evaluate 1 < 2 < 3

36 messages 2003/07/19

[#76424] Proposal: Array#to_h, to simplify hash generation — Gavin Sinclair <gsinclair@...>

Hi -talk,

41 messages 2003/07/19
[#76512] Re: Proposal: Array#to_h, to simplify hash generation — Martin DeMello <martindemello@...> 2003/07/20

Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@ruby-lang.org> wrote:

[#76513] Re: Proposal: Array#to_h, to simplify hash generation — dblack@... 2003/07/20

Hi --

[#76530] Re: Proposal: Array#to_h, to simplify hash generation — Martin DeMello <martindemello@...> 2003/07/21

dblack@superlink.net wrote:

[#76532] Re: Proposal: Array#to_h, to simplify hash generation — "Gavin Sinclair" <gsinclair@...> 2003/07/21

>

[#76540] Re: Proposal: Array#to_h, to simplify hash generation — dblack@... 2003/07/21

Hi --

[#76473] ruby documentation generator? — "Kurt M. Dresner" <kdresner@...>

I've been googling for a few minutes but I haven't found anything yet.

12 messages 2003/07/20

[#76497] Parsing POST and GET variables simultaneously? — David Heinemeier Hansson <david@...>

Isn't it possible to get variables from POST and GET simultaneously?

13 messages 2003/07/20

[#76499] From Windows internal format to UTF-8? — "renoX" <renZYX@...>

Hello,

13 messages 2003/07/20

[#76551] matz thoughts on Rite ? — "Simon Strandgaard" <0bz63fz3m1qt3001@...>

I don't know much about Rite, therefore I ask.

30 messages 2003/07/21

[#76563] Deep copy — Jim Freeze <jim@...>

Hi

15 messages 2003/07/21

[#76619] Should String#strip take a parameter? — "Warren Brown" <wkb@...>

All,

18 messages 2003/07/21

[#76625] RubyForge.org — Richard Kilmer <rich@...>

All,

37 messages 2003/07/22
[#76831] Re: [ANN] RubyForge.org — "Simon Strandgaard" <0bz63fz3m1qt3001@...> 2003/07/23

On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 12:43:41 +0200, Oliver Bolzer wrote:

[#76693] Bug report: ruby-1.8.0p3 fails to compile under FreeBSD-4.7 — Brian Candler <B.Candler@...>

gcc -fPIC -g -O2 -DDB_DBM_HSEARCH -DDBM_HDR="<db.h>" -I. -I/u/home/telinco/build/ruby/ruby-1.8.0 -I/u/home/telinco/build/ruby/ruby-1.8.0 -I/u/home/telinco/build/ruby/ruby-1.8.0/ext/dbm -DHAVE_DB_H -DHAVE_SYS_CDEFS_H -DHAVE___DB_NDBM_OPEN -DHAVE___DB_NDBM_CLEARERR -c dbm.c

10 messages 2003/07/22

[#76697] String substitution without RegEx — Andreas Schwarz <usenet@...>

I wanted to do a simple string substitution, and was surprised to see

20 messages 2003/07/22

[#76751] New RDoc template, and a question — Dave Thomas <dave@...>

Michael Granger has produced a wonderful new RDoc template, which looks

37 messages 2003/07/23

[#76783] Embedding problem - SEGV — Brian Candler <B.Candler@...>

I have a problem with embedding Ruby, which hopefully someone can shed some

16 messages 2003/07/23

[#76843] Re: [OT] subversion, was [ANN] RubyForge.org — "Bennett, Patrick" <Patrick.Bennett@...>

Hmm, the linuxworld article didn't really say anything useful about

12 messages 2003/07/23

[#76892] ruby 1.8.0 preview4 — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto)

Hello,

44 messages 2003/07/24

[#76984] Patches to 1.8.0p4 to add Bessel functions for those that have 'em — Mike Hall <mghall@...>

Here's some simple patches to configure.in, configure and math.c

23 messages 2003/07/25
[#77006] Re: Patches to 1.8.0p4 to add Bessel functions for those that have 'em — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2003/07/25

Hi,

[#76991] Confused about locking a file via file.flock(File::LOCK_EX) — Ludwigi Beethoven <aix_tech@...>

I am writing a ruby appl under AIX where I need to

11 messages 2003/07/25

[#77082] Set doesn't have [] instance method — Gavin Sinclair <gsinclair@...>

It should, shouldn't it? It's meant to combine the fast lookup of

15 messages 2003/07/26

[#77087] What's wrong with ruby garden? — "Carl Youngblood" <carl@...>

It seems that Ruby Garden is down right now. Does anyone know what's

10 messages 2003/07/26

[#77129] Ruby in Ruby — Austin Ziegler <austin@...>

Over on the pragprog list, Ron Jeffries suggested that it might be

15 messages 2003/07/28

[#77144] ruby 1.8.0 preview5 — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto)

Hello,

16 messages 2003/07/28

[#77149] winsock problem? — Xiangrong Fang <xrfang@...>

Hi,

14 messages 2003/07/28

[#77176] Fishing for ideas: Ruby-talk for Java coders — Armin Roehrl <armin@...>

Hi all,

19 messages 2003/07/28

[#77197] Parser generator — "Rodrigo B. de Oliveira" <rodrigob@...>

I'm evaluating language/frameworks for creating a toy language compiler =

13 messages 2003/07/29

[#77227] Warnings? — Tim Bates <tim@...>

Hi all,

15 messages 2003/07/29
[#77242] Re: Warnings? — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2003/07/29

Hi,

[#77354] Ruby could be wildly more popular if it had ... — quixoticsycophant@... (Jeff Mitchell)

Brackets.

40 messages 2003/07/30
[#77694] Re: Ruby could be wildly more popular if it had ... — Martin DeMello <martindemello@...> 2003/08/01

Chris Thomas <chris@m-audio.com> wrote:

[#77359] Hm... nice, Euclid is a one-liner — Rudolf Polzer <denshimeiru-sapmctacher@...>

a, b = b, a % b while b != 0

12 messages 2003/07/30

[#77408] Bignum multiplication — Harry Ohlsen <harryo@...>

I was just reading about Python 2.3 and they talked about how they've changed their arbitrary-precision integer multiplication to use the Karatsuba multiplication algorithm.

21 messages 2003/07/30

[#77516] wanted: official mirrors for 1.8.0 — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto)

Hello,

24 messages 2003/07/31

[#77528] ruby 1.8.0 preview6 — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto)

Hello,

14 messages 2003/07/31

[#77590] Spam at ruby-talk — Daniel Carrera <dcarrera@...>

I don't know who runs the ruby-talk mailing list. I've noticed that

13 messages 2003/07/31
[#77595] Re: Spam at ruby-talk — Dave Thomas <dave@...> 2003/07/31

Daniel Carrera wrote:

[#77592] Changing ==,>,<, etc — elbows@... (Nathan Weston)

The latest Perl exegesis

15 messages 2003/07/31

[#77623] Extracting a parent class — Michael Garriss <mgarriss@...>

Sorry about the newbie question but....

14 messages 2003/07/31

Ruby could be wildly more popular if it had ...

From: quixoticsycophant@... (Jeff Mitchell)
Date: 2003-07-30 02:35:18 UTC
List: ruby-talk #77354
Brackets.

Huh?  What do you mean "brackets"?

Brackets.  Ruby doesn't have enough brackets.

Hmph! I think ruby has the exact right amount of brackets!

But not enough to become popular.  Brackets are a prerequisite, didn't
you know?

That's preposterous!  Ruby's great design, its expressiveness, its
clarity, its generally grand way of doing things -- all these
strengths and you are saying brackets are more important?

Yes.  To be popular.

You keep saying "popular."  But who cares about popularity anyway?  As
if the measure of a language is its popularity.  Are you a
card-carrying member of the ignorant masses who follow whatever is
"hot" at the moment, disregarding what may really be better?

No.

Then screw popularity.  We don't need whimsy programmers who are
attracted to the simulated familiarity which brackets give.  Such
shallow programmers we can do without, thank you.

Then you shall continue basking in the lonely sunshine of relative
obscurity, secure in your knowledge of what programmers should be
like.  Good luck with all of that.

[brief pause]

Surely you are a troll.

Nope.

What about Python?  It doesn't have brackets.

Um, Python isn't popular.  Perhaps relative to ruby it is.  All Python
programmers rode the short bus anyway.

Huh?

Python programmers -- they rode the short bus to school.

Short bus?

It's the bus for the special -- oh nevermind.

[end conversation]

Exhibit A.
----------
Ruby as it exists presently.

class IO
  def expect(pat,timeout=9999999)
    buf = ''
    case pat
    when String
      e_pat = Regexp.new(Regexp.quote(pat))
    when Regexp
      e_pat = pat
    end
    while true
      if IO.select([self],nil,nil,timeout).nil? then
        result = nil
        break
      end
      c = getc.chr
      buf << c
      if $expect_verbose
        STDOUT.print c
        STDOUT.flush
      end
      if mat=e_pat.match(buf) then
        result = [buf,*mat.to_a[1..-1]]
        break
      end
    end
    if iterator? then
      yield result
    else
      return result
    end
    nil
  end
end

"Oh great another language trying to be different."

"Pascal sucks.  I hate the 'end' keyword."

"My editor isn't set up to handle this language.  I don't understand
why they can't just use brackets."

"A garbled mess, looks like.  It's confusing without brackets to guide
my eye."


Exhibit B.
----------
Ruby as it exists in an alternative universe where it supplanted perl.

class IO
{
  expect(pat,timeout=9999999)
  {
    buf = ''
    case pat
    {   
      when String
        e_pat = Regexp.new(Regexp.quote(pat))
      when Regexp
        e_pat = pat
    }
    while true
    {
      if IO.select([self],nil,nil,timeout).nil?
      {
        result = nil
        break
      }
      c = getc.chr
      buf << c
      if $expect_verbose
      {
        STDOUT.print c
        STDOUT.flush
      }
      if mat=e_pat.match(buf)
      {
        result = [buf,*mat.to_a[1..-1]]
        break
      }
    }
    if iterator?
    {
      yield result
    }
    else
    {
      return result
    }
    nil
  }
}

"Wow cool language.  I see what's going on immediately."

"I like how it's familiar.  My eye is trained to follow brackets, so I
can size up this code with one glance."

"Hey this looks just like Java!  I know Java!  I can't wait to start
using ruby as my no-separate-compile-step language!"

"Dude this is gonna kick perl's ass."

----

I am being more serious than it may or may not appear.  I think ruby
missed out on a big chance here.  It is absurd, but it's true.

cheers,
Matt

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