[#74825] Millisecond in time. — place4oracle@... (Warren)

Hi,

17 messages 2003/07/01
[#74827] Re: Millisecond in time. — Harry Ohlsen <harryo@...> 2003/07/01

Warren wrote:

[#74841] Re: Millisecond in time. — Anders Borch <spam@...> 2003/07/01

Harry Ohlsen wrote:

[#74853] Aeditor-0.1 is unleashed — "Simon Strandgaard" <0bz63fz3m1qt3001@...>

Aeditor is a editor-widget written in Ruby. The primary

17 messages 2003/07/01

[#74884] Speaking of I18N... — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...>

I don't suppose anyone has implemented any

17 messages 2003/07/01

[#74894] rb_gc() and scan stack — "Simon Strandgaard" <0bz63fz3m1qt3001@...>

I were experimenting with Init_stack, when I discovered a flaw in my mind.

12 messages 2003/07/01

[#74912] Ruby9i now available — Jim Cain <list@...>

All,

18 messages 2003/07/02

[#74980] OT: It's that time of year again ... — james_b <james_b@...>

Happy Birthmonth to all fellow Rubyists born in July!

19 messages 2003/07/02

[#75023] A Quick Guide to SQLite and Ruby — why the lucky stiff <ruby-talk@...>

-Talkers:

17 messages 2003/07/02

[#75119] purpose of replace method — Ian Macdonald <ian@...>

Hi,

17 messages 2003/07/04

[#75137] How to create Shell Links on Windows? — Timon Christl <me@...>

Is there an easy way to create or modify shell links (.lnk) with ruby on

12 messages 2003/07/04

[#75160] seeking feedback on my first Ruby program — "Joe Cheng" <code@...>

I just took my first stab at writing a useful Ruby program. My programming

11 messages 2003/07/04

[#75307] Need regex to match "^\n" — Jim Freeze <jim@...>

Hi:

16 messages 2003/07/06

[#75369] Code Snippet: Array.shuffle — Stefan Arentz <stefan.arentz@...>

14 messages 2003/07/08

[#75420] My brief and torrid affair with Ruby. — Ray Cote <rgacote@...>

Hi List:

150 messages 2003/07/08
[#75421] Re: My brief and torrid affair with Ruby. — Daniel Carrera <dcarrera@...> 2003/07/09

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[#75425] Re: My brief and torrid affair with Ruby. — Ray Cote <rgacote@...> 2003/07/09

At 9:08 AM +0900 7/9/03, Daniel Carrera wrote:

[#75426] Re: My brief and torrid affair with Ruby. — Daniel Carrera <dcarrera@...> 2003/07/09

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[#75433] Re: My brief and torrid affair with Ruby. — Stephyn Butcher <tendzin.dorje@...> 2003/07/09

They don't call GPL a legal virus for nothing:

[#75527] Re: My brief and torrid affair with Ruby. — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...> 2003/07/09

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[#75529] Re: My brief and torrid affair with Ruby. — Daniel Carrera <dcarrera@...> 2003/07/09

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[#75548] OT: GPL - was Re: My brief and torrid affair with Ruby. — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...> 2003/07/09

> > Are you honestly saying that you don't understand

[#75565] Re: OT: GPL - was Re: My brief and torrid affair with Ruby. — Chalmers <feldt@...> 2003/07/09

Sorry for this long post and rambling. Just skip if you're not in

[#75588] Re: OT: GPL - was Re: My brief and torrid affair with Ruby. — Austin Ziegler <austin@...> 2003/07/10

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[#75610] Re: OT: GPL - was Re: My brief and torrid affair with Ruby. — Robert Feldt <feldt@...> 2003/07/10

Austin Ziegler <austin@halostatue.ca> skrev den Thu, 10 Jul 2003 10:10:03

[#75530] Re: My brief and torrid affair with Ruby. — "Michael Campbell" <michael_s_campbell@...> 2003/07/09

[#75531] Re: My brief and torrid affair with Ruby. — Daniel Carrera <dcarrera@...> 2003/07/09

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[#75711] Re: My brief and torrid affair with Ruby. — "Sean O'Dell" <sean@...> 2003/07/11

"Daniel Carrera" <dcarrera@math.umd.edu> wrote in message

[#75712] Re: My brief and torrid affair with Ruby. — Daniel Carrera <dcarrera@...> 2003/07/11

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[#75536] Re: My brief and torrid affair with Ruby. — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...> 2003/07/09

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[#75539] Re: My brief and torrid affair with Ruby. — "Gennady" <gfb@...> 2003/07/09

OK, Daniel, let's put it this way: if you do not use something there's

[#75438] NASA using Ruby? — Harry Ohlsen <harryo@...>

I noticed a reference in the intro blurb for Dave Thomas's talk at OSCON to NASA doing numerical simulations using Ruby.

24 messages 2003/07/09

[#75570] Ruby T-Shirt Idea — shout@... (Austin King)

Keywords: advocacy, silly t-shirts, Request For Feedback

43 messages 2003/07/09

[#75654] Re: Ruby T-Shirt Idea — "Orion Hunter" <orion2480@...>

What we need is a code snippet that is excessively long and obfuscate in

31 messages 2003/07/10

[#75767] Getting my IP address — Philip Mak <pmak@...>

Is there a piece of Ruby code somewhere that will tell me what my IP

13 messages 2003/07/11

[#75777] Re: OSCON report — "Volkmann, Mark" <Mark.Volkmann@...>

> -----Original Message-----

19 messages 2003/07/11
[#75810] Re: OSCON report — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2003/07/11

Hi,

[#75811] Re: OSCON report — Matt Lawrence <matt@...> 2003/07/11

On Sat, 12 Jul 2003, Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:

[#75852] ruby-mysql library load error — eric.anderson@... (Eric Anderson)

I am trying to get the ruby dbi library up and running on my machine.

10 messages 2003/07/12

[#75963] Custom method_missing doesn't trap super call — Richard Dale <Richard_Dale@...>

When I run the code below it produces the following output:

26 messages 2003/07/14

[#75975] Booleans — "Mark J. Reed" <markjreed@...>

Okay, as a convert from Perl to Ruby, I have to say that I love

14 messages 2003/07/14

[#75991] ruby-specific CGI question (I think) — "Kurt M. Dresner" <kdresner@...>

I'm using sessions and forms in my cgi script.

15 messages 2003/07/14

[#76058] How to reduce Ruby runtime error? — Xiangrong Fang <xrfang@...>

Hi my friends,

17 messages 2003/07/15

[#76121] Keyword "with" — "Robert Klemme" <bob.news@...>

66 messages 2003/07/16
[#76134] Re: Keyword "with" — "Robert Klemme" <bob.news@...> 2003/07/16

[#76143] Re: Keyword "with" — Peter Hickman <peter@...> 2003/07/16

Robert Klemme wrote:

[#76148] Other languages' features in Ruby — Ben Giddings <ben@...> 2003/07/16

Hrm, well I'm a Ruby/Java/C/C++/Python/Perl/Lisp/Javascript/PHP...

[#76149] Re: Keyword "with" — "Mark J. Reed" <markjreed@...> 2003/07/16

Peter (having a bad day) Hickman wrote:

[#76181] Re: Keyword "with" — Mark Wilson <mwilson13@...> 2003/07/16

[#76184] Re: Keyword "with" — "Michael Campbell" <michael_s_campbell@...> 2003/07/16

[#76293] Re: Keyword "with" — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...> 2003/07/17

----- Original Message -----

[#76145] Advocacy: Ruby on/with .net — "Thomas Sondergaard" <thomass@...>

I'd like a minute or two of your time as I try to sell you the idea of ruby

34 messages 2003/07/16

[#76196] OO Design question for Net::HTTP caching extension — Aredridel <aredridel@...>

I'm in the process of writing an HTTP-1.1 extension to Net::HTTP. At

10 messages 2003/07/16

[#76254] What's the point? — Jim Freeze <jim@...>

Hi

19 messages 2003/07/17

[#76336] Aliased setter methods behave differently than other methods? — Jim Cain <list@...>

Here's another question... I am aliasing and redefining certain methods,

11 messages 2003/07/18

[#76372] Binary counter — ptkwt@...1.aracnet.com (Phil Tomson)

I needed to test a class which had a certain number of 'binary' inputs (ie. each input

14 messages 2003/07/18

[#76396] chaining comparisons — "Kurt M. Dresner" <kdresner@...>

When I learned python I was overjoyed that I could evaluate 1 < 2 < 3

36 messages 2003/07/19

[#76424] Proposal: Array#to_h, to simplify hash generation — Gavin Sinclair <gsinclair@...>

Hi -talk,

41 messages 2003/07/19
[#76512] Re: Proposal: Array#to_h, to simplify hash generation — Martin DeMello <martindemello@...> 2003/07/20

Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@ruby-lang.org> wrote:

[#76513] Re: Proposal: Array#to_h, to simplify hash generation — dblack@... 2003/07/20

Hi --

[#76530] Re: Proposal: Array#to_h, to simplify hash generation — Martin DeMello <martindemello@...> 2003/07/21

dblack@superlink.net wrote:

[#76532] Re: Proposal: Array#to_h, to simplify hash generation — "Gavin Sinclair" <gsinclair@...> 2003/07/21

>

[#76540] Re: Proposal: Array#to_h, to simplify hash generation — dblack@... 2003/07/21

Hi --

[#76473] ruby documentation generator? — "Kurt M. Dresner" <kdresner@...>

I've been googling for a few minutes but I haven't found anything yet.

12 messages 2003/07/20

[#76497] Parsing POST and GET variables simultaneously? — David Heinemeier Hansson <david@...>

Isn't it possible to get variables from POST and GET simultaneously?

13 messages 2003/07/20

[#76499] From Windows internal format to UTF-8? — "renoX" <renZYX@...>

Hello,

13 messages 2003/07/20

[#76551] matz thoughts on Rite ? — "Simon Strandgaard" <0bz63fz3m1qt3001@...>

I don't know much about Rite, therefore I ask.

30 messages 2003/07/21

[#76563] Deep copy — Jim Freeze <jim@...>

Hi

15 messages 2003/07/21

[#76619] Should String#strip take a parameter? — "Warren Brown" <wkb@...>

All,

18 messages 2003/07/21

[#76625] RubyForge.org — Richard Kilmer <rich@...>

All,

37 messages 2003/07/22
[#76831] Re: [ANN] RubyForge.org — "Simon Strandgaard" <0bz63fz3m1qt3001@...> 2003/07/23

On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 12:43:41 +0200, Oliver Bolzer wrote:

[#76693] Bug report: ruby-1.8.0p3 fails to compile under FreeBSD-4.7 — Brian Candler <B.Candler@...>

gcc -fPIC -g -O2 -DDB_DBM_HSEARCH -DDBM_HDR="<db.h>" -I. -I/u/home/telinco/build/ruby/ruby-1.8.0 -I/u/home/telinco/build/ruby/ruby-1.8.0 -I/u/home/telinco/build/ruby/ruby-1.8.0/ext/dbm -DHAVE_DB_H -DHAVE_SYS_CDEFS_H -DHAVE___DB_NDBM_OPEN -DHAVE___DB_NDBM_CLEARERR -c dbm.c

10 messages 2003/07/22

[#76697] String substitution without RegEx — Andreas Schwarz <usenet@...>

I wanted to do a simple string substitution, and was surprised to see

20 messages 2003/07/22

[#76751] New RDoc template, and a question — Dave Thomas <dave@...>

Michael Granger has produced a wonderful new RDoc template, which looks

37 messages 2003/07/23

[#76783] Embedding problem - SEGV — Brian Candler <B.Candler@...>

I have a problem with embedding Ruby, which hopefully someone can shed some

16 messages 2003/07/23

[#76843] Re: [OT] subversion, was [ANN] RubyForge.org — "Bennett, Patrick" <Patrick.Bennett@...>

Hmm, the linuxworld article didn't really say anything useful about

12 messages 2003/07/23

[#76892] ruby 1.8.0 preview4 — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto)

Hello,

44 messages 2003/07/24

[#76984] Patches to 1.8.0p4 to add Bessel functions for those that have 'em — Mike Hall <mghall@...>

Here's some simple patches to configure.in, configure and math.c

23 messages 2003/07/25
[#77006] Re: Patches to 1.8.0p4 to add Bessel functions for those that have 'em — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2003/07/25

Hi,

[#76991] Confused about locking a file via file.flock(File::LOCK_EX) — Ludwigi Beethoven <aix_tech@...>

I am writing a ruby appl under AIX where I need to

11 messages 2003/07/25

[#77082] Set doesn't have [] instance method — Gavin Sinclair <gsinclair@...>

It should, shouldn't it? It's meant to combine the fast lookup of

15 messages 2003/07/26

[#77087] What's wrong with ruby garden? — "Carl Youngblood" <carl@...>

It seems that Ruby Garden is down right now. Does anyone know what's

10 messages 2003/07/26

[#77129] Ruby in Ruby — Austin Ziegler <austin@...>

Over on the pragprog list, Ron Jeffries suggested that it might be

15 messages 2003/07/28

[#77144] ruby 1.8.0 preview5 — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto)

Hello,

16 messages 2003/07/28

[#77149] winsock problem? — Xiangrong Fang <xrfang@...>

Hi,

14 messages 2003/07/28

[#77176] Fishing for ideas: Ruby-talk for Java coders — Armin Roehrl <armin@...>

Hi all,

19 messages 2003/07/28

[#77197] Parser generator — "Rodrigo B. de Oliveira" <rodrigob@...>

I'm evaluating language/frameworks for creating a toy language compiler =

13 messages 2003/07/29

[#77227] Warnings? — Tim Bates <tim@...>

Hi all,

15 messages 2003/07/29
[#77242] Re: Warnings? — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2003/07/29

Hi,

[#77354] Ruby could be wildly more popular if it had ... — quixoticsycophant@... (Jeff Mitchell)

Brackets.

40 messages 2003/07/30
[#77694] Re: Ruby could be wildly more popular if it had ... — Martin DeMello <martindemello@...> 2003/08/01

Chris Thomas <chris@m-audio.com> wrote:

[#77359] Hm... nice, Euclid is a one-liner — Rudolf Polzer <denshimeiru-sapmctacher@...>

a, b = b, a % b while b != 0

12 messages 2003/07/30

[#77408] Bignum multiplication — Harry Ohlsen <harryo@...>

I was just reading about Python 2.3 and they talked about how they've changed their arbitrary-precision integer multiplication to use the Karatsuba multiplication algorithm.

21 messages 2003/07/30

[#77516] wanted: official mirrors for 1.8.0 — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto)

Hello,

24 messages 2003/07/31

[#77528] ruby 1.8.0 preview6 — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto)

Hello,

14 messages 2003/07/31

[#77590] Spam at ruby-talk — Daniel Carrera <dcarrera@...>

I don't know who runs the ruby-talk mailing list. I've noticed that

13 messages 2003/07/31
[#77595] Re: Spam at ruby-talk — Dave Thomas <dave@...> 2003/07/31

Daniel Carrera wrote:

[#77592] Changing ==,>,<, etc — elbows@... (Nathan Weston)

The latest Perl exegesis

15 messages 2003/07/31

[#77623] Extracting a parent class — Michael Garriss <mgarriss@...>

Sorry about the newbie question but....

14 messages 2003/07/31

"theory vs practice" ceases power

From: xah@... (Xah Lee)
Date: 2003-07-22 13:33:43 UTC
List: ruby-talk #76681
Dear functional programing comrades,

Among the community of automatons of the IT industry, there is a
popular quote about "theory vs practice" that goes something along the
lines of "in theory this, but in practice that", which is often quoted
by automatons to slight at computer science principles or
practice. (especially by perl or unix advocates)

i'm posting the following in hope that "theory vs practice" can cease
its misleading power. I seek your support in the education of IT
automatons. Thanks.

from
http://www.xahlee.org/UnixResource_dir/writ/theory_practice.html

merlyn@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) quoted:
| The difference between theory and practice in theory is much less
| than the difference between theory and practice in practice.

Popular quotes have attributes of equivocal interpretation and
theatrical display. When interpreted and pondered by the wise, it
lights up a wisdom, but dullards quote them equally, and delight in
their drama. (the latter happens a lot in Perl and unix communities.)

From American Heritage Dictionary: 
  theory n. pl. theories
  1. a. Systematically organized knowledge applicable in a relatively
  wide variety of circumstances, especially a system of assumptions,
  accepted principles, and rules of procedure devised to analyze,
  predict, or otherwise explain the nature or behavior of a specified
  set of phenomena. b. Such knowledge or such a system. 2. Abstract
  reasoning; speculation. 3. A belief that guides action or assists
  comprehension or judgment: rose early, on the theory that morning
  efforts are best; the modern architectural theory that less is
  more. 4. An assumption based on limited information or knowledge; a
  conjecture.

The word 'theory', in practice, has more meanings than in theory.

For example, in the above usage, 'theory' is used twice. In the first
instance, it is used for a purpose but not for its meaning. It is part
of a construction in a language that discuss the language itself. In
theory it does not come up, but in practice it does all the time. In
practice, we can say that the first instance of usage of the word
'theory' has no meaning given the context. In the second appearance of
the word, it has myriad of interpretations due to the construction of
the phrase.

People may mean: "The word 'theory', in practice, has more meanings
than people would think." Here the word is thus used conveniently to
stand for "mob's knowledge".

From a logical linguist's mouth, the intent might be: "The word
'theory', outside academia, acquire more meanings and purposes than we
require in linguistics." The sensibility of such semantic content is
demonstrated in the previous paragraph.

People may say: "in theory, tomorrow'll rain."  They really mean "the
broadcast station lady said that tomorrow will rain."

A detective might say, "in theory, that guy is the murderer.". He
really means: "according to my investigations, it is highly probably
that that guy is the murderer.". (dictionary definition #4.)

In a strict sense, 'theory' means systematic and organized principles
derived by scientific means (dictionary definition #1.). In a more
strict mathematical sense, 'theory' is the body of theorems, and
theorem by definition describes practices correctly always, else it is
not a theorem.  It is possible for a mathematical theorem to be
incorrect (we are humans, after all), but in practice to assume that
theorems can be incorrect is like assuming one might be hit by a
meteor tomorrow. Theoretically correct, but not sensible.

As you can see, the word 'theory' is subject to wanton abuses. In
fact, all English words are subject to extraneous purposes to yield
sentences or paragraphs that has a meaningful ambiguous
interpretation. (this is how poetry works, in theory.) All in all,
English is extremely malleable and ambiguous. The phrase "The word
'theory', in practice, has more meanings than in theory" is really
silly, except in really well-defined context. In our context, the
quote amounts to illustrating the stupidity of Perlers who don't have
a solid background in logic or linguistics, but like to quote about
differences of theory vs. practice.

Larry Wall likes to mention how he had a linguistics background, and
how he utilized the (good) human qualities of English to create
Perl. To the Perl folks of beady eyes, they are sold a grand advance
in computer science, but to discerning eyes, it's artful garbage.

Sorry i don't have time to address the above points of Wall's, but
this will definitely be another lesson for you folks down the road.

The perl folks with their beads of little eyes, cannot see beyond
imperative languages.

 Xah
 xah@xahlee.org
 http://xahlee.org/PageTwo_dir/more.html

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