From: "maillist@..." <maillist@...>
Date: 2003-07-19T07:04:10+09:00
Subject: Re: New Ruby book

In my python days (prior to ruby) I had had a brief play with bean shell
as it comes with netbeans and I wasnt really impressed

On Sat, 2003-07-19 at 06:24, Albert Chou wrote:
> I think to be fair you need to try out BeanShell.  I've played with it
> for a few minutes at a time, and I think it's pretty safe to say it
> lacks some of Ruby's important features, but I really think to
> convince your coworkers, you personally need to have some experience
> in what you're trying to steer them away from, otherwise you're
> committing a similar error to the one they are in lumping Ruby in with
> all other scripting languages.
> 
> Al
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Harry Ohlsen [mailto:harryo@zip.com.au]
> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 4:00 PM
> To: ruby-talk ML
> Subject: Re: New Ruby book
> 
> On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 08:31, Jack Herrington wrote:
> > I reckon I could get them into Ruby by showing them tools
> > > that can
> > > augment their Java development.  Once they start playing with Ruby
> for
> > > that
> > > kind of thing, I think they'll see the power and make it a serious
> > > choice for
> > > general work.
> >
> > I'd love to hear if that works.
> 
> I'll report back ... success or failure.
> 
> It's not so much that they're anti anything non-Java, just that they
> don't 
> seem to want to try Ruby.
> 
> Every time I talk to someone about it, they seem to lump Ruby in with
> every 
> other scripting language and believe it's of no value for "real" work.
> 
> They'd rather use BeanShell, which is a scripting language that looks
> like 
> Java.  I have to admit, I've not tried it (because I've already found
> the 
> *best* scripting language :-), but I can't imagine it being as neat as
> Ruby.
> 
> > The book came out as an ebook on Monday, and is at the printers
> right
> > now. Hardcopy should start shipping in a couple of weeks if you buy
> > from Manning.
> 
> Terrific.  Being here in Australia, maybe I'll talk my boss into
> buying me a 
> copy of the eBook and then wait for the print version to get here
> (sometimes 
> takes a while), especially since Manning offers a refund on the eBook
> when 
> you buy the paper version.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Harry O.
>