From: Albert Chou Date: 2003-07-19T03:24:55+09:00 Subject: Re: New Ruby book This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C34D59.8574DD44 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think to be fair you need to try out BeanShell. I've played with it for a few minutes at a time, and I think it's pretty safe to say it lacks some of Ruby's important features, but I really think to convince your coworkers, you personally need to have some experience in what you're trying to steer them away from, otherwise you're committing a similar error to the one they are in lumping Ruby in with all other scripting languages. Al -----Original Message----- From: Harry Ohlsen [mailto:harryo@zip.com.au] Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 4:00 PM To: ruby-talk ML Subject: Re: New Ruby book On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 08:31, Jack Herrington wrote: > I reckon I could get them into Ruby by showing them tools > > that can > > augment their Java development. Once they start playing with Ruby for > > that > > kind of thing, I think they'll see the power and make it a serious > > choice for > > general work. > > I'd love to hear if that works. I'll report back ... success or failure. It's not so much that they're anti anything non-Java, just that they don't=20 seem to want to try Ruby. Every time I talk to someone about it, they seem to lump Ruby in with every=20 other scripting language and believe it's of no value for "real" work. They'd rather use BeanShell, which is a scripting language that looks like=20 Java. I have to admit, I've not tried it (because I've already found the=20 *best* scripting language :-), but I can't imagine it being as neat as Ruby. > The book came out as an ebook on Monday, and is at the printers right > now. Hardcopy should start shipping in a couple of weeks if you buy > from Manning. Terrific. Being here in Australia, maybe I'll talk my boss into buying me a=20 copy of the eBook and then wait for the print version to get here (sometimes=20 takes a while), especially since Manning offers a refund on the eBook when=20 you buy the paper version. Cheers, Harry O. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C34D59.8574DD44 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: New Ruby book

I think to be fair you need to try out = BeanShell.  I've played with it for a few minutes at a time, and I = think it's pretty safe to say it lacks some of Ruby's important = features, but I really think to convince your coworkers, you personally = need to have some experience in what you're trying to steer them away = from, otherwise you're committing a similar error to the one they are in = lumping Ruby in with all other scripting languages.

Al


-----Original Message-----
From: Harry Ohlsen [mailto:harryo@zip.com.au]
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 4:00 PM
To: ruby-talk ML
Subject: Re: New Ruby book

On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 08:31, Jack Herrington = wrote:
> I reckon I could get them into Ruby by showing = them tools
> > that can
> > augment their Java development.  Once = they start playing with Ruby for
> > that
> > kind of thing, I think they'll see the = power and make it a serious
> > choice for
> > general work.
>
> I'd love to hear if that works.

I'll report back ... success or failure.

It's not so much that they're anti anything non-Java, = just that they don't
seem to want to try Ruby.

Every time I talk to someone about it, they seem to = lump Ruby in with every
other scripting language and believe it's of no value = for "real" work.

They'd rather use BeanShell, which is a scripting = language that looks like
Java.  I have to admit, I've not tried it = (because I've already found the
*best* scripting language :-), but I can't imagine it = being as neat as Ruby.

> The book came out as an ebook on Monday, and is = at the printers right
> now. Hardcopy should start shipping in a couple = of weeks if you buy
> from Manning.

Terrific.  Being here in Australia, maybe I'll = talk my boss into buying me a
copy of the eBook and then wait for the print version = to get here (sometimes
takes a while), especially since Manning offers a = refund on the eBook when
you buy the paper version.

Cheers,

Harry O.

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