[#74825] Millisecond in time. — place4oracle@... (Warren)

Hi,

17 messages 2003/07/01
[#74827] Re: Millisecond in time. — Harry Ohlsen <harryo@...> 2003/07/01

Warren wrote:

[#74841] Re: Millisecond in time. — Anders Borch <spam@...> 2003/07/01

Harry Ohlsen wrote:

[#74853] Aeditor-0.1 is unleashed — "Simon Strandgaard" <0bz63fz3m1qt3001@...>

Aeditor is a editor-widget written in Ruby. The primary

17 messages 2003/07/01

[#74884] Speaking of I18N... — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...>

I don't suppose anyone has implemented any

17 messages 2003/07/01

[#74894] rb_gc() and scan stack — "Simon Strandgaard" <0bz63fz3m1qt3001@...>

I were experimenting with Init_stack, when I discovered a flaw in my mind.

12 messages 2003/07/01

[#74912] Ruby9i now available — Jim Cain <list@...>

All,

18 messages 2003/07/02

[#74980] OT: It's that time of year again ... — james_b <james_b@...>

Happy Birthmonth to all fellow Rubyists born in July!

19 messages 2003/07/02

[#75023] A Quick Guide to SQLite and Ruby — why the lucky stiff <ruby-talk@...>

-Talkers:

17 messages 2003/07/02

[#75119] purpose of replace method — Ian Macdonald <ian@...>

Hi,

17 messages 2003/07/04

[#75137] How to create Shell Links on Windows? — Timon Christl <me@...>

Is there an easy way to create or modify shell links (.lnk) with ruby on

12 messages 2003/07/04

[#75160] seeking feedback on my first Ruby program — "Joe Cheng" <code@...>

I just took my first stab at writing a useful Ruby program. My programming

11 messages 2003/07/04

[#75307] Need regex to match "^\n" — Jim Freeze <jim@...>

Hi:

16 messages 2003/07/06

[#75369] Code Snippet: Array.shuffle — Stefan Arentz <stefan.arentz@...>

14 messages 2003/07/08

[#75420] My brief and torrid affair with Ruby. — Ray Cote <rgacote@...>

Hi List:

150 messages 2003/07/08
[#75421] Re: My brief and torrid affair with Ruby. — Daniel Carrera <dcarrera@...> 2003/07/09

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[#75425] Re: My brief and torrid affair with Ruby. — Ray Cote <rgacote@...> 2003/07/09

At 9:08 AM +0900 7/9/03, Daniel Carrera wrote:

[#75426] Re: My brief and torrid affair with Ruby. — Daniel Carrera <dcarrera@...> 2003/07/09

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[#75433] Re: My brief and torrid affair with Ruby. — Stephyn Butcher <tendzin.dorje@...> 2003/07/09

They don't call GPL a legal virus for nothing:

[#75527] Re: My brief and torrid affair with Ruby. — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...> 2003/07/09

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[#75529] Re: My brief and torrid affair with Ruby. — Daniel Carrera <dcarrera@...> 2003/07/09

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[#75548] OT: GPL - was Re: My brief and torrid affair with Ruby. — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...> 2003/07/09

> > Are you honestly saying that you don't understand

[#75565] Re: OT: GPL - was Re: My brief and torrid affair with Ruby. — Chalmers <feldt@...> 2003/07/09

Sorry for this long post and rambling. Just skip if you're not in

[#75588] Re: OT: GPL - was Re: My brief and torrid affair with Ruby. — Austin Ziegler <austin@...> 2003/07/10

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[#75610] Re: OT: GPL - was Re: My brief and torrid affair with Ruby. — Robert Feldt <feldt@...> 2003/07/10

Austin Ziegler <austin@halostatue.ca> skrev den Thu, 10 Jul 2003 10:10:03

[#75530] Re: My brief and torrid affair with Ruby. — "Michael Campbell" <michael_s_campbell@...> 2003/07/09

[#75531] Re: My brief and torrid affair with Ruby. — Daniel Carrera <dcarrera@...> 2003/07/09

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[#75711] Re: My brief and torrid affair with Ruby. — "Sean O'Dell" <sean@...> 2003/07/11

"Daniel Carrera" <dcarrera@math.umd.edu> wrote in message

[#75712] Re: My brief and torrid affair with Ruby. — Daniel Carrera <dcarrera@...> 2003/07/11

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[#75536] Re: My brief and torrid affair with Ruby. — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...> 2003/07/09

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[#75539] Re: My brief and torrid affair with Ruby. — "Gennady" <gfb@...> 2003/07/09

OK, Daniel, let's put it this way: if you do not use something there's

[#75438] NASA using Ruby? — Harry Ohlsen <harryo@...>

I noticed a reference in the intro blurb for Dave Thomas's talk at OSCON to NASA doing numerical simulations using Ruby.

24 messages 2003/07/09

[#75570] Ruby T-Shirt Idea — shout@... (Austin King)

Keywords: advocacy, silly t-shirts, Request For Feedback

43 messages 2003/07/09

[#75654] Re: Ruby T-Shirt Idea — "Orion Hunter" <orion2480@...>

What we need is a code snippet that is excessively long and obfuscate in

31 messages 2003/07/10

[#75767] Getting my IP address — Philip Mak <pmak@...>

Is there a piece of Ruby code somewhere that will tell me what my IP

13 messages 2003/07/11

[#75777] Re: OSCON report — "Volkmann, Mark" <Mark.Volkmann@...>

> -----Original Message-----

19 messages 2003/07/11
[#75810] Re: OSCON report — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2003/07/11

Hi,

[#75811] Re: OSCON report — Matt Lawrence <matt@...> 2003/07/11

On Sat, 12 Jul 2003, Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:

[#75852] ruby-mysql library load error — eric.anderson@... (Eric Anderson)

I am trying to get the ruby dbi library up and running on my machine.

10 messages 2003/07/12

[#75963] Custom method_missing doesn't trap super call — Richard Dale <Richard_Dale@...>

When I run the code below it produces the following output:

26 messages 2003/07/14

[#75975] Booleans — "Mark J. Reed" <markjreed@...>

Okay, as a convert from Perl to Ruby, I have to say that I love

14 messages 2003/07/14

[#75991] ruby-specific CGI question (I think) — "Kurt M. Dresner" <kdresner@...>

I'm using sessions and forms in my cgi script.

15 messages 2003/07/14

[#76058] How to reduce Ruby runtime error? — Xiangrong Fang <xrfang@...>

Hi my friends,

17 messages 2003/07/15

[#76121] Keyword "with" — "Robert Klemme" <bob.news@...>

66 messages 2003/07/16
[#76134] Re: Keyword "with" — "Robert Klemme" <bob.news@...> 2003/07/16

[#76143] Re: Keyword "with" — Peter Hickman <peter@...> 2003/07/16

Robert Klemme wrote:

[#76148] Other languages' features in Ruby — Ben Giddings <ben@...> 2003/07/16

Hrm, well I'm a Ruby/Java/C/C++/Python/Perl/Lisp/Javascript/PHP...

[#76149] Re: Keyword "with" — "Mark J. Reed" <markjreed@...> 2003/07/16

Peter (having a bad day) Hickman wrote:

[#76181] Re: Keyword "with" — Mark Wilson <mwilson13@...> 2003/07/16

[#76184] Re: Keyword "with" — "Michael Campbell" <michael_s_campbell@...> 2003/07/16

[#76293] Re: Keyword "with" — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...> 2003/07/17

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[#76145] Advocacy: Ruby on/with .net — "Thomas Sondergaard" <thomass@...>

I'd like a minute or two of your time as I try to sell you the idea of ruby

34 messages 2003/07/16

[#76196] OO Design question for Net::HTTP caching extension — Aredridel <aredridel@...>

I'm in the process of writing an HTTP-1.1 extension to Net::HTTP. At

10 messages 2003/07/16

[#76254] What's the point? — Jim Freeze <jim@...>

Hi

19 messages 2003/07/17

[#76336] Aliased setter methods behave differently than other methods? — Jim Cain <list@...>

Here's another question... I am aliasing and redefining certain methods,

11 messages 2003/07/18

[#76372] Binary counter — ptkwt@...1.aracnet.com (Phil Tomson)

I needed to test a class which had a certain number of 'binary' inputs (ie. each input

14 messages 2003/07/18

[#76396] chaining comparisons — "Kurt M. Dresner" <kdresner@...>

When I learned python I was overjoyed that I could evaluate 1 < 2 < 3

36 messages 2003/07/19

[#76424] Proposal: Array#to_h, to simplify hash generation — Gavin Sinclair <gsinclair@...>

Hi -talk,

41 messages 2003/07/19
[#76512] Re: Proposal: Array#to_h, to simplify hash generation — Martin DeMello <martindemello@...> 2003/07/20

Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@ruby-lang.org> wrote:

[#76513] Re: Proposal: Array#to_h, to simplify hash generation — dblack@... 2003/07/20

Hi --

[#76530] Re: Proposal: Array#to_h, to simplify hash generation — Martin DeMello <martindemello@...> 2003/07/21

dblack@superlink.net wrote:

[#76532] Re: Proposal: Array#to_h, to simplify hash generation — "Gavin Sinclair" <gsinclair@...> 2003/07/21

>

[#76540] Re: Proposal: Array#to_h, to simplify hash generation — dblack@... 2003/07/21

Hi --

[#76473] ruby documentation generator? — "Kurt M. Dresner" <kdresner@...>

I've been googling for a few minutes but I haven't found anything yet.

12 messages 2003/07/20

[#76497] Parsing POST and GET variables simultaneously? — David Heinemeier Hansson <david@...>

Isn't it possible to get variables from POST and GET simultaneously?

13 messages 2003/07/20

[#76499] From Windows internal format to UTF-8? — "renoX" <renZYX@...>

Hello,

13 messages 2003/07/20

[#76551] matz thoughts on Rite ? — "Simon Strandgaard" <0bz63fz3m1qt3001@...>

I don't know much about Rite, therefore I ask.

30 messages 2003/07/21

[#76563] Deep copy — Jim Freeze <jim@...>

Hi

15 messages 2003/07/21

[#76619] Should String#strip take a parameter? — "Warren Brown" <wkb@...>

All,

18 messages 2003/07/21

[#76625] RubyForge.org — Richard Kilmer <rich@...>

All,

37 messages 2003/07/22
[#76831] Re: [ANN] RubyForge.org — "Simon Strandgaard" <0bz63fz3m1qt3001@...> 2003/07/23

On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 12:43:41 +0200, Oliver Bolzer wrote:

[#76693] Bug report: ruby-1.8.0p3 fails to compile under FreeBSD-4.7 — Brian Candler <B.Candler@...>

gcc -fPIC -g -O2 -DDB_DBM_HSEARCH -DDBM_HDR="<db.h>" -I. -I/u/home/telinco/build/ruby/ruby-1.8.0 -I/u/home/telinco/build/ruby/ruby-1.8.0 -I/u/home/telinco/build/ruby/ruby-1.8.0/ext/dbm -DHAVE_DB_H -DHAVE_SYS_CDEFS_H -DHAVE___DB_NDBM_OPEN -DHAVE___DB_NDBM_CLEARERR -c dbm.c

10 messages 2003/07/22

[#76697] String substitution without RegEx — Andreas Schwarz <usenet@...>

I wanted to do a simple string substitution, and was surprised to see

20 messages 2003/07/22

[#76751] New RDoc template, and a question — Dave Thomas <dave@...>

Michael Granger has produced a wonderful new RDoc template, which looks

37 messages 2003/07/23

[#76783] Embedding problem - SEGV — Brian Candler <B.Candler@...>

I have a problem with embedding Ruby, which hopefully someone can shed some

16 messages 2003/07/23

[#76843] Re: [OT] subversion, was [ANN] RubyForge.org — "Bennett, Patrick" <Patrick.Bennett@...>

Hmm, the linuxworld article didn't really say anything useful about

12 messages 2003/07/23

[#76892] ruby 1.8.0 preview4 — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto)

Hello,

44 messages 2003/07/24

[#76984] Patches to 1.8.0p4 to add Bessel functions for those that have 'em — Mike Hall <mghall@...>

Here's some simple patches to configure.in, configure and math.c

23 messages 2003/07/25
[#77006] Re: Patches to 1.8.0p4 to add Bessel functions for those that have 'em — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2003/07/25

Hi,

[#76991] Confused about locking a file via file.flock(File::LOCK_EX) — Ludwigi Beethoven <aix_tech@...>

I am writing a ruby appl under AIX where I need to

11 messages 2003/07/25

[#77082] Set doesn't have [] instance method — Gavin Sinclair <gsinclair@...>

It should, shouldn't it? It's meant to combine the fast lookup of

15 messages 2003/07/26

[#77087] What's wrong with ruby garden? — "Carl Youngblood" <carl@...>

It seems that Ruby Garden is down right now. Does anyone know what's

10 messages 2003/07/26

[#77129] Ruby in Ruby — Austin Ziegler <austin@...>

Over on the pragprog list, Ron Jeffries suggested that it might be

15 messages 2003/07/28

[#77144] ruby 1.8.0 preview5 — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto)

Hello,

16 messages 2003/07/28

[#77149] winsock problem? — Xiangrong Fang <xrfang@...>

Hi,

14 messages 2003/07/28

[#77176] Fishing for ideas: Ruby-talk for Java coders — Armin Roehrl <armin@...>

Hi all,

19 messages 2003/07/28

[#77197] Parser generator — "Rodrigo B. de Oliveira" <rodrigob@...>

I'm evaluating language/frameworks for creating a toy language compiler =

13 messages 2003/07/29

[#77227] Warnings? — Tim Bates <tim@...>

Hi all,

15 messages 2003/07/29
[#77242] Re: Warnings? — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2003/07/29

Hi,

[#77354] Ruby could be wildly more popular if it had ... — quixoticsycophant@... (Jeff Mitchell)

Brackets.

40 messages 2003/07/30
[#77694] Re: Ruby could be wildly more popular if it had ... — Martin DeMello <martindemello@...> 2003/08/01

Chris Thomas <chris@m-audio.com> wrote:

[#77359] Hm... nice, Euclid is a one-liner — Rudolf Polzer <denshimeiru-sapmctacher@...>

a, b = b, a % b while b != 0

12 messages 2003/07/30

[#77408] Bignum multiplication — Harry Ohlsen <harryo@...>

I was just reading about Python 2.3 and they talked about how they've changed their arbitrary-precision integer multiplication to use the Karatsuba multiplication algorithm.

21 messages 2003/07/30

[#77516] wanted: official mirrors for 1.8.0 — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto)

Hello,

24 messages 2003/07/31

[#77528] ruby 1.8.0 preview6 — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto)

Hello,

14 messages 2003/07/31

[#77590] Spam at ruby-talk — Daniel Carrera <dcarrera@...>

I don't know who runs the ruby-talk mailing list. I've noticed that

13 messages 2003/07/31
[#77595] Re: Spam at ruby-talk — Dave Thomas <dave@...> 2003/07/31

Daniel Carrera wrote:

[#77592] Changing ==,>,<, etc — elbows@... (Nathan Weston)

The latest Perl exegesis

15 messages 2003/07/31

[#77623] Extracting a parent class — Michael Garriss <mgarriss@...>

Sorry about the newbie question but....

14 messages 2003/07/31

Re: My brief and torrid affair with Ruby.

From: Daniel Carrera <dcarrera@...>
Date: 2003-07-11 03:05:45 UTC
List: ruby-talk #75721
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On Fri, Jul 11, 2003 at 11:47:56AM +0900, Samuel Tesla wrote:

> Your distinction is subtle, it is certainly an alternative, but it is
> not a situation that would likely arise.  If I were (practically) able
> to remove the code, then why would I put it there in the first place?

Fair enough.  But the fact that the alternatives are not appealing to you 
does not make the GPL viral.

This is the way I see it:  Suppose I'm going to choose a mutual fund.  I 
have 10 choices, and 9 are bad.  This does not make the 10th viral.  Even 
if the other 9 are bad enough, and I want a mutual fund badly enough that 
I really really have to chose the 10th and if I don't choose the 10th I'll 
lose all my money... that still doesn't make the 10th viral.


> > were not familiar with the content of the GPL.  Please avoid personal 
> > offence since it does nothing to prove your point, and it does a lot to 
> > triger flame wars.
> 
> Sorry about that.

No problem.

> > I am arguing that this ability makes a big difference.
> 
> And I'm arguing that it really doesn't.

Okay, at least we've settled what my position is, and what your position 
is.

I doubt that we'll agree beyond this point, but at least we are clear on 
what our positions are.  I'll try to rephrase:

Situation:
  You want certain functionality which is available through a GPL code, 
  and for which there is no reasonable alternative available to you.
  Your choices are to either GPL your code, or forget about writing that
  particular application.

Question:  Does this make the GPL viral?

You say:  Yes.
I say :   No.

I might agree that this makes the GPL anoying, upsetting and undesirable.
I also agree that this puts pressure on you to choose to GPL your code.

But since the GPL does not, by itself, do anything to you, it is not 
viral.  The fact that you don't like the alternatives (e.g. not write your 
application) does not make it viral.

You disagree.

Have I successfully summarized your position?

My view is that a virus does not "encourage" you to accept it into your 
cells.  It just attaches itself to you.  This is in contrast with the GPL.


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