[#72642] Advantages of Symbols over constants — Marek Janukowicz <childNOSPAM@...17.ds.pwr.wroc.pl>

11 messages 2003/06/01

[#72732] case of sub! not working — Ian Macdonald <ian@...>

Hi,

27 messages 2003/06/03
[#72734] Re: case of sub! not working — Joel VanderWerf <vjoel@...> 2003/06/03

Ian Macdonald wrote:

[#72744] Re: case of sub! not working — Ian Macdonald <ian@...> 2003/06/03

On Tue 03 Jun 2003 at 10:21:43 +0900, Joel VanderWerf wrote:

[#72769] Re: case of sub! not working — Michael Campbell <michael_s_campbell@...> 2003/06/03

[#72907] Syck 0.35 + YAML.rb 0.60 -- the 1st stable release — why the lucky stiff <ruby-talk@...>

Pleased to announce:

18 messages 2003/06/05
[#75182] Re: Syck 0.35 + YAML.rb 0.60 -- the 1st stable release — Richard Zidlicky <rz@...68k.org> 2003/07/04

On Fri, Jun 06, 2003 at 06:15:58AM +0900, why the lucky stiff wrote:

[#72908] Problem with "require" stmt in "test-first " tutorial — RLMuller@... (Richard)

Hi All,

27 messages 2003/06/05

[#72940] VAPOR 0.06, Transparent Persistence to PostgreSQL — "Oliver M. Bolzer" <oliver@...>

Hi!

22 messages 2003/06/06

[#72975] join block — "Simon Strandgaard" <0bz63fz3m1qt3001@...>

29 messages 2003/06/06

[#72986] multiple blocks or proc arguments to method — itsme213@... (you CAN teach an old dog ...)

I was trying to write a collect_if method:

11 messages 2003/06/07

[#73081] requiring standard libs with save level 1 — Eugene Scripnik <Eugene.Scripnik@...>

I've set up new version of Ruby from CVS and my programs failed to work.

13 messages 2003/06/09
[#73114] Re: requiring standard libs with save level 1 — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2003/06/09

Hi,

[#73134] tcltklib does not get compiled. — John Fletcher <J.P.Fletcher@...>

I have installed ruby 1.6.7 on two computers using Red Hat 8.0 Linux.

14 messages 2003/06/10

[#73148] OT: Regexp question — Dominik Werder <dwerder@...>

Hi all,

25 messages 2003/06/10

[#73215] Rubyx (provisionally named) linux distro. Made by and run by Ruby — Andrew Walrond <andrew@...>

I have developed a little script which creates a simple linux distro

38 messages 2003/06/11

[#73260] Multiple Initialize methods? — "Nick" <nick.robinson@...>

Hi,

21 messages 2003/06/11

[#73283] Ruby advantages over Perl — Marek Janukowicz <childNOSPAM@...17.ds.pwr.wroc.pl>

68 messages 2003/06/11
[#73374] Re: Ruby advantages over Perl — Jason Creighton <androflux@...> 2003/06/12

On Thu, 12 Jun 2003 17:56:02 +0900

[#73356] does each work on a copy? — Rasputin <rasputin@...>

17 messages 2003/06/12

[#73372] Reason for implicit block syntax ? — itsme213@... (you CAN teach an old dog ...)

What is the reason for the implicit block in Ruby invocations?

13 messages 2003/06/12

[#73463] Hispeed String concat — Dominik Werder <dwerder@...>

What is the fastest way to add many small Strings to a big buffer?

17 messages 2003/06/13

[#73503] RaaInstallInRuby petition — ptkwt@...1.aracnet.com (Phil Tomson)

18 messages 2003/06/13

[#73555] I need a code beautifier or formatter — joaopedrosa@... (Joao Pedrosa)

Hello,

13 messages 2003/06/14

[#73600] Get songtitle from Winamp — calvin8@... (Andi Scharfstein)

Hi,

26 messages 2003/06/15
[#73601] Re: Get songtitle from Winamp — Daniel Carrera <dcarrera@...> 2003/06/15

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[#73602] Re: Get songtitle from Winamp — Chad Fowler <chadfowler@...> 2003/06/15

It's a Win32API convention meaning "Window Handle".

[#73603] Re: Get songtitle from Winamp — Daniel Carrera <dcarrera@...> 2003/06/15

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[#73605] Re: Get songtitle from Winamp — Wesley J Landaker <wjl@...> 2003/06/15

On Sunday 15 June 2003 9:34 am, Daniel Carrera wrote:

[#73609] Re: Get songtitle from Winamp — Daniel Carrera <dcarrera@...> 2003/06/15

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[#73640] Standardizing Installers — Tom Clarke <tom@...2i.com>

I was thinking about some of the issues raised involving ruby libraries

16 messages 2003/06/16

[#73663] /BEGIN/ .. /END/ file reading — Wild Karl-Heinz <kh.wild@...>

hello

15 messages 2003/06/16
[#73674] Re: /BEGIN/ .. /END/ file reading — "Robert Klemme" <bob.news@...> 2003/06/16

[#73677] Re: /BEGIN/ .. /END/ file reading — Michael Campbell <michael_s_campbell@...> 2003/06/16

> A range operator with a regexp works like a flip flop (bistable

[#73680] Multiline comments? — "Christoph Tapler" <christoph.tapler@...>

I'm new to Ruby and I'm wondering that there is no possibility to write

38 messages 2003/06/16

[#73781] editor / ide recommentation on Windows — itsme213@... (you CAN teach an old dog ...)

What editor / ide would you recommend for serious Ruby work on

20 messages 2003/06/17

[#73787] Array#push(empty array expanded) => no exception — "Simon Strandgaard" <0bz63fz3m1qt3001@...>

This strange behavier really surprised me..

13 messages 2003/06/17

[#73821] European Ruby Conference — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...>

I don't think I've mentioned this before, but I

15 messages 2003/06/17

[#73924] Re: TCP/IP protocol and Net::HTTP — "J.Hawkesworth" <J.Hawkesworth@...>

Works for me too.

13 messages 2003/06/19
[#73931] Re: TCP/IP protocol and Net::HTTP — Nigel Gilbert <n.gilbert@...> 2003/06/19

I am beginning to wonder if this problem arises from the MacOS X

[#73943] collect info about ruby-api — "Simon Strandgaard" <0bz63fz3m1qt3001@...>

I have long been longing for a good description of ruby C api.

35 messages 2003/06/19

[#74039] WxRuby status? — ptkwt@...1.aracnet.com (Phil Tomson)

14 messages 2003/06/20
[#74507] Re: WxRuby status? — Richard Kilmer <rich@...> 2003/06/26

Things are progressing great. Kevin Smith has taken the development

[#74070] How to test if a file exists? — Daniel Carrera <dcarrera@...>

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12 messages 2003/06/21

[#74096] Exasperated with ruby/tk - anybody successfully using it? — "Richard Browne" <richb@...>

General question: Is ruby/tk still being maintained in 1.7/1.8 or is it

10 messages 2003/06/22

[#74104] String#decorate — martindemello@... (Martin DeMello)

When chaining methods, it'd be neat to have something that was passed

17 messages 2003/06/22

[#74156] Marshal bug? — Anders Borch <spam@...>

Hi!

15 messages 2003/06/23
[#74161] Re: Marshal bug? — Dave Thomas <dave@...> 2003/06/23

Anders Borch wrote:

[#74205] can't find appropriate regexp — "Patrick Zesar" <jonnypichler@...>

spamassassin blocked my previous post :-((((

17 messages 2003/06/23

[#74279] Ruby Developer's Guide - hurt book sale — dennis@... (Dennis Sutch)

Syngress Publishing is having a hurt book sale. Per Syngress

11 messages 2003/06/24

[#74379] protect parents from children — "Simon Strandgaard" <0bz63fz3m1qt3001@...>

I fell into these pitfalls yesterday.. that a child was modifying a parent!

27 messages 2003/06/25

[#74413] Ruby/Java integration through JNI: working implementation — Mauricio Fern疣dez <batsman.geo@...>

14 messages 2003/06/25
[#74436] Re: Ruby/Java integration through JNI: working implementation — D T <tran55555@...> 2003/06/25

Yet An other JRuby ?? :-)

[#74465] DBD for Oracle9i — Jim Cain <list@...>

Hi all. I was looking for a Ruby interface to 9i that would handle all

25 messages 2003/06/25

[#74478] RPM for 1.8.0 — John Carter <john.carter@...>

I would like to get / build a Mandrake 9.1 RPM for Ruby-1.8.0 Preview 3

17 messages 2003/06/26

[#74506] String#split(' ') and whitespace (perl user's surprise) — mike@... (Mike Stok)

I have to confess that I use a lot of Perl, and some of its idioms are

15 messages 2003/06/26

[#74573] Using & for arrays of objects — "Krishna Dole" <kpdole@...>

Hi,

39 messages 2003/06/27

[#74579] why can't I use $3somevar for global variable in ruby 1.8.0? — Donglai Gong <donglai@...>

Hi, I'm new to Ruby programming and I just upgraded from 1.6.8 to 1.8.0

10 messages 2003/06/27

[#74702] Slides from my talk are up on rubyhacker.com — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...>

I was pleased to attend the European Ruby Conference

25 messages 2003/06/29

[#74706] Help with UnboundMethod#bind error — gabriele renzi <surrender_it@...1.vip.lng.yahoo.com>

Hi gurus and nubys,

16 messages 2003/06/29
[#74708] Re: Help with UnboundMethod#bind error — nobu.nokada@... 2003/06/29

Hi,

[#74732] Re: Help with UnboundMethod#bind error — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2003/06/30

Hi,

[#74919] Re: Help with UnboundMethod#bind error — "Pit Capitain" <pit@...> 2003/07/02

On 30 Jun 2003 at 17:18, Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:

[#74717] Re: Message catalogs (I18N) overnight hack... — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...>

----- Original Message -----

17 messages 2003/06/29

[#74747] Editor like Textpad on Linux? — Dominik Werder <dwerder@...>

Hello,

13 messages 2003/06/30

[#74768] dynamic object creation — Aryeh Friedman <aryeh@...>

If I have something like this:

15 messages 2003/06/30

Standard type conversion mechanism

From: Ryan Pavlik <rpav@...>
Date: 2003-06-23 19:45:05 UTC
List: ruby-talk #74206
OK, I'm posting this because a few people on #ruby-lang thought it
should be posted, so here it is.

A number of us desire a more standard, more scalable type conversion
mechanism.  By "type conversion", I mean you've got one thing (say, an
Integer), and you want it to be another (say, a String).

Currently we do this:

    x = 42
    s = x.to_s

The problem is this is both a loose convention and it doesn't scale well
at all.  A case-in-point of the former:

    x  = nil
    s  = ""
    s << x

    => TypeError: cannot convert nil into String

Yet, there's a NilClass#to_s... but this looks for NilClass#to_str.
There's not even internal consistency.  This leads us to the second
point; it doesn't scale.  In order to provide a conversion from each
type to another, it requires (type^2) methods in each class.  (Granted,
you're not likely to have a conversion from every type to every other,
but this is a worst-case.)

There isn't a good way of naming these methods, either.  If I have
A::B::C and want it as an A::B::D, should I have A::B::C#to_a_b_d?
Should I start adding methods to classes that have little relation to
other classes, just for quick conversions?  This breaks a form of
containership, and requires one class know about another one, even
completely unrelated.

To summarize, here are the cons of the current system:

    *  No standardization.  (#to_i, #to_a, #to_s, #to_str, what about
       other classes?)

    *  Poor scaling. (Lots of #to_* methods)

    *  Inelegant.  (Requires one class "know" about another class)

OK, enough complaining.  I have a working solution: a ConversionTable.
Currently, you can find the implementation here:

    http://mephle.org/conversion.rb

Here's an example:

    require 'conversion'

    ConversionTable.add(Integer, String)  { |i| i.to_s }
    ConversionTable.add(Integer, Boolean) { |i| i != 0 }
    ConversionTable.add(String,  Integer) { |s| s.to_i }

    x = 42
    p x.as(String)
    p x.as(Boolean)

    s = "42"
    p s.as(Integer)
    p s.can_convert?(Integer)
    p s.can_convert?(Array)

This provides the following advantages:

    *  Standard.  There's no ambiguity about which method to call;
       things are based entirely on the class/module itself.

    *  Scalable.  Adding conversions adds them in one place; no "method
       pollution".

    *  Elegant.  Conversion "glue" is outside the class itself,
       requiring neither class to know about the others.

    *  Easy to add new conversions.

    *  Scalable part 2.  Theoretically, "conversion inferencing" can be
       done.  That is, given A => B, and B => C, you can ask for A => C
       and it'll figure out how.  (Note the current implementation does
       not handle this.)

    *  Conversions can be queried.

    *  Fits over existing methods and doesn't break backward
       compatibility.

I have an interest in developing some further dimensions to this, as I'm
contemplating semantics/unit and context-sensitive programming in Ruby.
(So you can say, "this is an integer in bytes, give me a string
representation in kilobytes" and it does the magic for you.)  I don't
have any immediate plans to formalize this as a module (since it lacks
the further functionality I'd like, and I don't have the time to finish
it), but I know a number of people who are pressing to have (at least)
the basic conversion mechanism as a more built-in standard.

Thoughts, comments, etc, encouraged.

-- 
Ryan Pavlik <rpav@users.sf.net>

"Another *perfectly* calculated space-time
 splice-n-splice. Now to get back to... wait a second.
 I forgot to carry the TWO!" - 8BT

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