[#72642] Advantages of Symbols over constants — Marek Janukowicz <childNOSPAM@...17.ds.pwr.wroc.pl>
On Sunday, 1 June 2003 at 22:00:23 +0900, Marek Janukowicz wrote:
One of my concerns with symbols is they spring into exsistence on their own,
[#72645] thread-unsafe stuff: could you summarize? — Wojciech Kaczmarek <schatten@...>
I'd be glad to see a short summary of what I should be aware of when writing
[#72685] How to structure a program for unit testing — John Johnson <jj5412@...>
The time has come. I'm tired of that unsure feeling when I'm about to
[#72717] Unit Testing Style — Eric Schwartz <emschwar@...>
I know I should have written my tests first, but I didn't, so now I'm
[#72729] CALL FOR ASSISTANCE — "MR.IKE COLLINS" <ikecollins@...>
MR.IKE COLLINS
[#72732] case of sub! not working — Ian Macdonald <ian@...>
Hi,
Ian Macdonald wrote:
On Tue 03 Jun 2003 at 10:21:43 +0900, Joel VanderWerf wrote:
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> I'll take a stab at it. I can't promise that
[#72735] setuid/setgid ruby scripts — Wesley J Landaker <wjl@...>
Hey folks,
[#72761] Ruby Weekly News — Dave@...
[#72764] file I/O: how can I disable auto-convert of the 2-byte sequence 0x0D, 0x0A into a single byte '\n'? — "Polscheit, Frank" <frank.polscheit@...>
Hi,
[#72771] Ruby install question — Jim Freeze <jim@...>
[#72778] ruby-dev summary 20201 - 20315 — Kazuo Saito <ksaito@...>
Hi all,
On Wed, Jun 04, 2003 at 12:36:13AM +0900, Kazuo Saito wrote:
On Wed, Jun 04, 2003 at 06:50:39PM +0900, Mauricio Fern疣dez wrote:
[#72782] sent e-mail — "James McCall" <jmccall64@...>
you sent an e-mail on 29 april 2002 at 11:02 pm, can you remember where that
[#72799] Test::Unit::MockObject not working — "Shashank Date" <sdate@...>
....so I downloaded the latest version of test-unit-mock from RAA:
[#72804] ruby-1.8.0 (cvs) build failed on HP-UX 11.11 — Wai-Sun Chia <waisun.chia@...>
Version: Ruby 1.8.0 20030522
Hi,
[#72818] RCR: Enhancing matrix.rb — Michael Neumann <mneumann@...>
Hi,
Hi,
[#72842] remove_method question — Daniel Berger <djberge@...>
Hi all,
[#72849] Ruby 1.8.0 — gm@... (George Moschovitis)
Hi everyone,
[#72854] Ruby web hosting survey. — "Warren Brown" <wkb@...>
All,
[#72863] ios.gets doesn't seem to work as advertised — RichardLMuller@... (Richard)
I've got the following script in a Win2000SP3 environment running Ruby
[#72883] Ruby-SWIG question: wrapping function objects with blocks — Christian Szegedy <szegedy@...>
I am trying to use SWIG to generate Ruby wrapper for a
[#72892] Answer on 'lists.bttr.org unreachable?' — "Josef 'Jupp' Schugt" <jupp@...>
Hi!
[#72894] Ruby 1.8.0 net/http bug — Urban Nilsson <urban@...>
I tried the following example code:
[#72907] Syck 0.35 + YAML.rb 0.60 -- the 1st stable release — why the lucky stiff <ruby-talk@...>
Pleased to announce:
why the lucky stiff wrote:
On Fri, Jun 06, 2003 at 06:15:58AM +0900, why the lucky stiff wrote:
Richard Zidlicky (rz@linux-m68k.org) wrote:
On Sat, Jul 05, 2003 at 09:17:18AM +0900, why the lucky stiff wrote:
Could your segmentation fault be due to the same problem as in the
[#72908] Problem with "require" stmt in "test-first " tutorial — RLMuller@... (Richard)
Hi All,
Hi Nobu and Simon,
Hi everybody,
Richard (RLMuller@comcast.net) wrote:
on 6/9/03 10:28 AM, Gour at gour@mail.inet.hr wrote:
John Johnson (jj5412@earthlink.net) wrote:
[#72912] Syck / Yaml example — Shashank Date <shanko_date@...>
hello _why,
[#72922] ANN: ruby-goto, your evil for the evening — Ryan Pavlik <rpav@...>
OK, so I was feeling evil last week sometime. Some people were claiming
On Fri, 2003-06-06 at 17:13, Ryan Pavlik wrote:
[#72940] VAPOR 0.06, Transparent Persistence to PostgreSQL — "Oliver M. Bolzer" <oliver@...>
Hi!
On Fri, 06 Jun 2003 13:44:43 +0200, Anders Borch wrote:
[#72958] Pkg for getting web pages — Jim Freeze <jim@...>
Hi:
[#72972] Using SciTE 1.53 on Windows — Gert Kok <qawaly@...>
Can version 1,53 be used instead of the 1.41 that comes with the Windows
[#72975] join block — "Simon Strandgaard" <0bz63fz3m1qt3001@...>
Simon Strandgaard wrote:
[#72985] What should "class ... end" and "def ... end" return? — itsme213@... (you CAN teach an old dog ...)
Are they expressions? If not, why not?
[#72986] multiple blocks or proc arguments to method — itsme213@... (you CAN teach an old dog ...)
I was trying to write a collect_if method:
[#72988] Any notification mechanism for Ruby questions — itsme213@... (you CAN teach an old dog ...)
Is this the best place to post Ruby questions? Is ruby-talk better? Do
[#73032] raa-install feature request — "Dmitry V. Sabanin" <sdmitry@...>
Hello!
[#73047] dia2code-ruby-0.8.1 (unofficial) — "Dmitry V. Sabanin" <sdmitry@...>
Hi!
[#73081] requiring standard libs with save level 1 — Eugene Scripnik <Eugene.Scripnik@...>
I've set up new version of Ruby from CVS and my programs failed to work.
Hi,
Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:
>>>>> "E" == Eugene Scripnik <Eugene.Scripnik@itgrp.net> writes:
ts wrote:
>>>>> "E" == Eugene Scripnik <Eugene.Scripnik@itgrp.net> writes:
ts wrote:
>>>>> "E" == Eugene Scripnik <Eugene.Scripnik@itgrp.net> writes:
ts wrote:
[#73119] Is Ruby's parse tree accessible (prior to evaluation) — itsme213@... (you CAN teach an old dog ...)
Is there any hook to get at the parsed-tree equivalent of Ruby
[#73134] tcltklib does not get compiled. — John Fletcher <J.P.Fletcher@...>
I have installed ruby 1.6.7 on two computers using Red Hat 8.0 Linux.
[#73148] OT: Regexp question — Dominik Werder <dwerder@...>
Hi all,
Hello Dominik,
--- Laurent Sansonetti <laurent@datarescue.be> wrote:
[#73169] how to contribute? — Koen Vervloesem <koen.vervloesem@...>
Hi,
[#73172] FAQ for comp.lang.ruby — hal9000@...
RUBY NEWSGROUP FAQ -- Welcome to comp.lang.ruby! (Revised 2003-1-7)
[#73203] Re: raa-install: package list update? — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...>
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[#73215] Rubyx (provisionally named) linux distro. Made by and run by Ruby — Andrew Walrond <andrew@...>
I have developed a little script which creates a simple linux distro
il 11 Jun 2003 13:59:17 -0600, Eric Schwartz <emschwar@pobox.com> ha
on 6/11/03 4:35 PM, gabriele renzi at surrender_it@rc1.vip.lng.yahoo.com
[#73216] Re: Stack Frames, Functions and Variables. — "Robert Klemme" <bob.news@...>
The Wiki link is
[#73236] PDF Documents from Native Ruby — Austin Ziegler <austin@...>
So I'm about 1500 messages behind because I've been deep in programming
[#73238] fork and Tk problem — Richard Zidlicky <rz@...68k.org>
Hi,
[#73244] Re: Problem with "Daemon not connected" — "Veitch, Andy" <AVeitch@...>
[#73253] amrita question — Pierre Baillet <oct@...>
Hi,
[#73260] Multiple Initialize methods? — "Nick" <nick.robinson@...>
Hi,
Hi everybody,
On 6/19/2003 3:46 AM, in article
On Thu, Jun 19, 2003 at 09:43:19PM +0900, Sam Griffith wrote:
[#73283] Ruby advantages over Perl — Marek Janukowicz <childNOSPAM@...17.ds.pwr.wroc.pl>
In article <slrnbefclg.6r9.childNOSPAM@child.t9.ds.pwr.wroc.pl>,
> 3) any type of object can be used as a key in a Ruby hash (Perl can
On Thu, 12 Jun 2003 17:56:02 +0900
Jason Creighton wrote:
On Jun 13, Tom Clarke wrote:
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On Thu, 12 Jun 2003 22:46:46 +0100
[#73292] DATA object and processes; unexpected problem — Andrew Walrond <andrew@...>
I have have several forked processes simultateously accessing the data
[#73305] HTML -> list of sentences? (semi-impossible task) — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...>
Hello, all.
[#73339] ruby-dev summary #20316-20338 — TAKAHASHI Masayoshi <maki@...>
Hello all,
[#73356] does each work on a copy? — Rasputin <rasputin@...>
[#73365] socket problem on Windows? — "Craig Demyanovich" <demmer12@...>
Hello,
[#73372] Reason for implicit block syntax ? — itsme213@... (you CAN teach an old dog ...)
What is the reason for the implicit block in Ruby invocations?
[#73377] src/yaml.y.rb:210: warning: ambiguous first argument; make sure — ahoward <ahoward@...>
On Thursday 12 June 2003 01:23 pm, ahoward wrote:
[#73387] Regex: undocumented feature? — Joel VanderWerf <vjoel@...>
[#73394] How to get an exit code from SystemExit exception — "Gennady" <gfb@...>
I catch SystemExit exception raised as a result of "exit <status>" =
[#73395] Question on regexp — John Johnson <jj5412@...>
While all the regexp experts have their ears perked up:
[#73403] Confused about to_s in Ruby / irb — itsme213@... (you CAN teach an old dog ...)
I wish to control the default display of my objects, and thought to_s
[#73420] Interactive Console Program with Tab-Completion — kapheine@... (Zachary P. Landau)
Hello,
[#73463] Hispeed String concat — Dominik Werder <dwerder@...>
What is the fastest way to add many small Strings to a big buffer?
Saluton!
On Sat, Jun 14, 2003 at 03:46:08AM +0900, Josef 'Jupp' Schugt wrote:
[#73476] regex interpolation (in ruby from CVS) — mike@... (Mike Stok)
I have been experimenting with building regular expressions from
[#73484] Blogging Software Created with Ruby — info@... (Atlantic Blue)
Is there a blogging software created using the Ruby scripting
[#73503] RaaInstallInRuby petition — ptkwt@...1.aracnet.com (Phil Tomson)
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In article <02e301c331e1$ab183980$0300a8c0@austin.rr.com>,
My $0.02:
[#73555] I need a code beautifier or formatter — joaopedrosa@... (Joao Pedrosa)
Hello,
On Sat, Jun 14, 2003 at 10:01:36PM +0900, Joao Pedrosa wrote:
On Sat, 14 Jun 2003, Michael Neumann wrote:
[#73567] Re: I need a code beautifier or formatter — Joao Pedrosa <joaopedrosa@...>
Hi,
"Joao Pedrosa" <joaopedrosa@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
[#73590] problems with regex.h in an extension module — Michael Brailsford <brailsmt@...>
I am working on embedding ruby into a C++ application but I cannot get
[#73600] Get songtitle from Winamp — calvin8@... (Andi Scharfstein)
Hi,
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It's a Win32API convention meaning "Window Handle".
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On Sunday 15 June 2003 9:34 am, Daniel Carrera wrote:
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You all know this already, but ...
on 6/15/03 12:47 PM, Yura at yura@opmr.com wrote:
[#73628] question on Struct and class_eval — Markus Jais <info@...>
Hello
[#73640] Standardizing Installers — Tom Clarke <tom@...2i.com>
I was thinking about some of the issues raised involving ruby libraries
> So is it time to require that RAA packages conform to these rules?
[#73653] ParseExtension — nobu.nokada@...
Hi,
[#73663] /BEGIN/ .. /END/ file reading — Wild Karl-Heinz <kh.wild@...>
hello
> A range operator with a regexp works like a flip flop (bistable
[#73667] Re: update Var if Var==nil — "Woodhouse, Mike (ANTS)" <mike.woodhouse@...>
Would
[#73680] Multiline comments? — "Christoph Tapler" <christoph.tapler@...>
I'm new to Ruby and I'm wondering that there is no possibility to write
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[#73723] /^attr(?:_reader|_writer)*$/ - possible RCR? — ahoward <ahoward@...>
[#73756] File.expand_path with files beginnig with ~ (tilde) on Windoze — grzegorz@... (Grzegorz Chrupala)
Hi,
Grzegorz Chrupala wrote:
[#73773] Sokoban — Masao Mutoh <mutoh@...>
Hi,
[#73781] editor / ide recommentation on Windows — itsme213@... (you CAN teach an old dog ...)
What editor / ide would you recommend for serious Ruby work on
On Wed, 18 Jun 2003 01:45:11 +0900
On Sat, 21 Jun 2003 04:23:39 +0900, Warren Brian Noronha
> What would be really sweet is full refactoring Ruby support inside Eclipse...
[#73787] Array#push(empty array expanded) => no exception — "Simon Strandgaard" <0bz63fz3m1qt3001@...>
This strange behavier really surprised me..
[#73821] European Ruby Conference — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...>
I don't think I've mentioned this before, but I
Hal E. Fulton wrote:
I am trying to learn some of the functions within
Hi,
[#73831] Stability of Marshaling format — Robert Feldt <feldt@...>
Hi,
Hal E. Fulton <hal9000@hypermetrics.com> wrote:
[#73841] Re: File.expand_path with files beginnig with ~ (tilde) on Windoze — "J.Hawkesworth" <J.Hawkesworth@...>
I've allways understood the ~ feature in some unix shells as being a
[#73843] re-open a class --> re-open a method? — itsme213@... (you CAN teach an old dog ...)
Ruby's ability to re-open a class is great! Among other things it
[#73844] switching multiple interfaces of an object — Mauricio Fern疣dez <batsman.geo@...>
On Wed, 18 Jun 2003, Mauricio [iso-8859-1] Fern疣dez wrote:
On Thu, Jun 19, 2003 at 12:35:12AM +0900, ahoward wrote:
[#73847] Tk canvas widget Id's — John Fletcher <J.P.Fletcher@...>
Is it possible to access the Id's of objects declared within a Tk canvas
[#73867] Re: Test::Unit GUI — "Berger, Daniel" <djberge@...>
> -----Original Message-----
Berger, Daniel [mailto:djberge@qwest.com] wrote:
nathaniel@NOSPAMtalbott.ws (nathaniel@NOSPAMtalbott.ws) wrote:
Gour [mailto:gour@mail.inet.hr] wrote:
[#73878] syck/yaml fail unit test — Guillaume Marcais <guillaume.marcais@...>
I get 2 failures with the unit tests within syck (0.35, from tarball).
[#73892] question on blocks and iterators — Markus Jais <info@...>
hello
[#73896] Code generation and state machines — Zellyn Hunter <ruby-list@...>
Hi folks,
[#73915] Thread Problems - Random Segfaults — Stefan Arentz <stefan.arentz@...>
[#73924] Re: TCP/IP protocol and Net::HTTP — "J.Hawkesworth" <J.Hawkesworth@...>
Works for me too.
I am beginning to wonder if this problem arises from the MacOS X
[#73941] Re: embed Ruby/TK app in a web page — "J.Hawkesworth" <J.Hawkesworth@...>
John,
[#73943] collect info about ruby-api — "Simon Strandgaard" <0bz63fz3m1qt3001@...>
I have long been longing for a good description of ruby C api.
[#73956] Weird Fixnum division — Tore Haug-Warberg <haugwarb@...>
Hi,
[#73974] How to install — Steve Tuckner <STUCKNER@...>
Recently, I downloaded eclipse for windows (version 2.1) and then got
[#73977] Production Code with Ruby — place4oracle@... (Warren)
Hi,
[#73991] rescuing errors.. catch-all — Daniel Bretoi <lists@...>
Hi,
Hi,
On Fri, Jun 20, 2003 at 09:56:04AM +0900, Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:
[#73997] reading ruby source — "Shashank Date" <sdate@...>
I'm making a serious attempt to read and understand the C-source which
[#74006] In 1.8.0 nil.to_s is not the same as "" — han.holl@... (Han Holl)
Hi,
Hi,
[#74039] WxRuby status? — ptkwt@...1.aracnet.com (Phil Tomson)
Things are progressing great. Kevin Smith has taken the development
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Daniel Carrera (dcarrera@math.umd.edu) wrote:
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[#74045] Re: require xyz: How to set search path? URI-like ability? — "Tim Hunter" <cyclists@...>
On Fri, 20 Jun 2003 23:11:56 +0000, Its Me wrote:
[#74068] Re: reading text line — "Shashank Date" <sdate@...>
"Dan" <falseflyboy@yahoo.comNONO> wrote in message
[#74070] How to test if a file exists? — Daniel Carrera <dcarrera@...>
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Daniel Carrera wrote:
> In an ideal world, I suppose I should follow my way up the inheritance
[#74081] Euruko 2003 (1st European Ruby Conference) news — Mauricio Fern疣dez <batsman.geo@...>
[#74096] Exasperated with ruby/tk - anybody successfully using it? — "Richard Browne" <richb@...>
General question: Is ruby/tk still being maintained in 1.7/1.8 or is it
[#74104] String#decorate — martindemello@... (Martin DeMello)
When chaining methods, it'd be neat to have something that was passed
[#74129] REXML and double, rather than single quotes — Ian Macdonald <ian@...>
Hi,
[#74133] unit testing — Koen Vervloesem <koen.vervloesem@...>
Hi,
[#74139] Euruko 2003 (1st European Ruby Conference) Over — Mauricio Fern疣dez <batsman.geo@...>
[#74156] Marshal bug? — Anders Borch <spam@...>
Hi!
Anders Borch wrote:
--- Dave Thomas <dave@pragprog.com> wrote:
Hello everyone;
On Mon, Jun 23, 2003 at 11:12:01PM +0900, David D'Andrea wrote:
[#74157] File upload and mod-ruby — gm@... (George Moschovitis)
Hello everybody,
[#74189] Array#unshift() zero arguments — "Simon Strandgaard" <0bz63fz3m1qt3001@...>
[#74198] Parallel Assignment # a,b=c,d=1,2 — D T <tran55555@...>
We can write:
OK, I guess:
Hi,
[#74202] Block Scope Statement in the Pickaxe — "Robert Klemme" <bob.news@...>
[#74205] can't find appropriate regexp — "Patrick Zesar" <jonnypichler@...>
spamassassin blocked my previous post :-((((
I got wrong again, finally, I test and test and come out this one:
> str = <<'EOF'
You are welcome.
[#74206] Standard type conversion mechanism — Ryan Pavlik <rpav@...>
OK, I'm posting this because a few people on #ruby-lang thought it
[#74208] Problem with local DRb on OS X — John Platte <john.platte@...>
Rubyers & rubyees:
[#74237] ncurses-ruby on cygwin — culley harrelson <culley@...>
I am trying to install ncurses-ruby on cygwin, which all the docs
On 24 Jun 2003, culley harrelson wrote:
[#74239] Warning error in YAML — "Useko Netsumi" <REMOVE_THISusenets@...>
test_yaml.rb:
>>>>> "U" == Useko Netsumi <REMOVE_THISusenets@nyc.rr.com> writes:
[#74254] Re: Decimal builtin? — "Pe, Botp" <botp@...>
[#74279] Ruby Developer's Guide - hurt book sale — dennis@... (Dennis Sutch)
Syngress Publishing is having a hurt book sale. Per Syngress
On 24 Jun 2003, at 22:28, Dennis Sutch wrote:
I never understood why shipping from the USA is so extrem expensive.
[#74296] Concatenating Hash's — David Landrith <dlandrith@...>
What is the fastest way to concatenate two hash tables?
--- David Landrith <dlandrith@mac.com> wrote:
[#74305] ruby 1.8.0-preview3 build errors — Aredridel <aredridel@...>
I get this:
Hi,
[#74320] Another Run Time Evaluation Q: — "Orion Hunter" <orion2480@...>
I am fiddling around with the eval() function, and loading information at
[#74347] help needed: extending ruby — "Shashank Date" <sdate@...>
I'm trying out the following example from
[#74355] another problem with regular expression — "Rob" <robson@...>
I have an array with the following elements:
[#74379] protect parents from children — "Simon Strandgaard" <0bz63fz3m1qt3001@...>
I fell into these pitfalls yesterday.. that a child was modifying a parent!
[#74394] Text parsing example code — Dominik Werder <dwerder@...>
Hi rubyists,
[#74413] Ruby/Java integration through JNI: working implementation — Mauricio Fern疣dez <batsman.geo@...>
Yet An other JRuby ?? :-)
D T wrote:
[#74454] API for Ruby/Java integration through JNI (feedback needed!) — Mauricio Fern疣dez <batsman.geo@...>
il Thu, 26 Jun 2003 03:34:10 +0900, Mauricio Fern疣dez
[#74465] DBD for Oracle9i — Jim Cain <list@...>
Hi all. I was looking for a Ruby interface to 9i that would handle all
Jim Cain wrote:
Michael Neumann <mneumann@ntecs.de> writes:
KUBO Takehiro wrote:
Jim Cain <list@jimcain.us> writes:
KUBO Takehiro wrote:
Michael Neumann wrote:
[#74478] RPM for 1.8.0 — John Carter <john.carter@...>
I would like to get / build a Mandrake 9.1 RPM for Ruby-1.8.0 Preview 3
On Wed, 2003-06-25 at 19:44, John Carter wrote:
Aredridel's .spec file was a good start. It seems to be a RedHat rather
Hi,
Removing the --enable-shared stops the following crash...
[#74506] String#split(' ') and whitespace (perl user's surprise) — mike@... (Mike Stok)
I have to confess that I use a lot of Perl, and some of its idioms are
On Thursday 26 June 2003 6:14 am, Mike Stok wrote:
>>>>> "W" == Wesley J Landaker <wjl@icecavern.net> writes:
In article <200306260741.40418.wjl@icecavern.net>,
Bug ? May-be / Maybe not ...
On Thursday 26 June 2003 8:57 am, D T wrote:
> I think you want strip instead of squeeze:
[#74566] Who's going to OSCON? — ptkwt@...1.aracnet.com (Phil Tomson)
OK, OSCON is coming up in a couple of weeks and I'd like to figure out if
[#74573] Using & for arrays of objects — "Krishna Dole" <kpdole@...>
Hi,
[#74575] Is there a Unit test tool distributed with 1.6? — gsemones@... (Guerry Semones)
I know there are several unit test tools (runit, lapidary, etc.) that
[#74579] why can't I use $3somevar for global variable in ruby 1.8.0? — Donglai Gong <donglai@...>
Hi, I'm new to Ruby programming and I just upgraded from 1.6.8 to 1.8.0
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Hi,
[#74587] method overloading? — Donglai Gong <donglai@...>
Is there a way to implement method overloading in ruby? Naively I just
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[#74620] \s in regex — internetletter@... (s moon)
what I want is to remove beginning and trailing spaces from lines.
[#74651] Re: problem install 1.6.8/1.8 on OS X 10.2 - success — Gary.Palmer@...
[#74667] Opinions on ZigZag? — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...>
I've been reading about ZigZag again... in some
[#74685] MR PATRICK LOUCO — "PATRICK LOUCO" <patkiceloco@...>
Dear Friend,
[#74690] druby vs CORBA vs java-RMI — gabriele renzi <surrender_it@...1.vip.lng.yahoo.com>
Is there some paper (possibly in english) somewhere about a comparison
[#74691] Swig and the STL — Michael Brailsford <brailsmt@...>
I am having troubles with swig's conversion of STL to ruby. Mainly ruby
[#74702] Slides from my talk are up on rubyhacker.com — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...>
I was pleased to attend the European Ruby Conference
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On Sat, Jul 05, 2003 at 03:50:02PM +0900, Hal E. Fulton wrote:
[#74706] Help with UnboundMethod#bind error — gabriele renzi <surrender_it@...1.vip.lng.yahoo.com>
Hi gurus and nubys,
Hi,
Hi,
On 30 Jun 2003 at 17:18, Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:
Hi,
On 2 Jul 2003 at 17:14, nobu.nokada@softhome.net wrote:
>>>>> "P" == Pit Capitain <pit@capitain.de> writes:
On 5 Jul 2003 at 20:45, ts wrote:
>>>>> "P" == Pit Capitain <pit@capitain.de> writes:
On 6 Jul 2003 at 21:23, ts wrote:
On Sun, Jul 06, 2003 at 11:51:04PM +0900, Pit Capitain wrote:
[#74717] Re: Message catalogs (I18N) overnight hack... — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...>
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[#74724] ruby tutorial — "Pe, Botp" <botp@...>
Hi Friends,
[#74730] Memory behavior of String#dup — "Robert Klemme" <bob.news@...>
[#74731] OT: Status Display — Juergen Lang <j-l@...>
Hello,
[#74747] Editor like Textpad on Linux? — Dominik Werder <dwerder@...>
Hello,
[#74768] dynamic object creation — Aryeh Friedman <aryeh@...>
If I have something like this:
On Tue, Jul 01, 2003 at 01:01:25AM +0900, Aryeh Friedman wrote:
Brian Candler wrote:
[#74781] Re: Does Threading work properly? — kingsley@...
Hiya
Re: Ruby advantages over Perl
On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 22:14:08 +0900 Michael Campbell <michael_s_campbell@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > Lots of people are talking about making the RAA into something like > > CPAN. > > That's okay, but I'm sick of seeing the package management wheel > > being reinvented over and over again. > > This to me seems quite the opposite of reinventing the wheel, > while... Huh? What I meant was, if we have "CPAN for Ruby", it would be basically the same thing as the CPAN, only for Ruby. I'm resigned to the fact that what we'll probably get is "CPAN for Ruby", but what I would like to see implemented is a general package manager, that would just so happen to work well with the RAA. <rant> I'm just sick of seeing every Linux distro having its own little package manager. I'm sick of looking at the instructions for packaging something for distro X that goes something like this: "Prefix in /usr, don't link against X, be sure to link against Y, etc, etc". ie, each distro has rules set out that each package must follow. Why can't we just have some metadata with each package describing what options it supports. Then our package manager could just say to package X: "Okay, I want X11 support with GTK widgets, prefix is /usr/local, strip binaries, don't install the manpages, and install the package in /tmp/lala-1234 so we can record what files are in the package before we install it in /usr/local". (Of course, the software would be nowhere near as chatty. :-) ) And we would somehow get a package that meets those specifications: We might build it locally, we might fetch binaries from somewhere, etc. The nice thing about this approach is that we would only have to package stuff *once*. And then build the software differently for each configuration needed. I've been thinking about implementing something like this in Ruby, but I don't have my ideas pinned down enough to start coding. I have vague ideas about this software taking "steps" (download, extract, build, install) so that we could take a package from any step and complete it. That is, we could have one PC doing builds for a network of 100 that would pick up at the "install" step. Or something like that. Also, how all the options a package has would be tricky to represent. </rant> > > So it would be really nice if we could solve it "once and for all". > > ..THIS seems the very definition of it. Now you've got me really confused. If making our own CPAN isn't reinventing the wheel, how is making our own general purpose package manager reinventing the wheel? > You feel that doing something new and different is preferable to > using a model that's up and working, and you're using the "wheel > reinvention" analogy to justify it? No, I feel that implementing basically the same thing (CPAN-like package manager) for two (or more) languages is a waste. I also think that having CPAN in the first place is a waste: Package managers should be flexible enough to deal with that. We should just be able to tell the package manager about a new source for packages and then it should be able to download, compile and install those packages. I want a package managers that adapts a package to the local configuration, not one that basically dumps tarballs into the directory tree, assuming that the package is built for the way the system is. So basically, what I'm asking for is a package manager that will manage packages. Will I even find it? Or will I just always say "not flexible enough" to every thing I try? I don't know. Jason Creighton