[#70464] ljust, rjust... — "Chris Pine" <nemo@...>

Just thought I would run these ideas by everyone:

11 messages 2003/05/01

[#70502] temporary redirection of stdout — Andrew Walrond <andrew@...>

I'm new to ruby, so forgive any obvious stupididity, but can anyone

20 messages 2003/05/02

[#70535] SWIG on Solaris problem — Jim Freeze <jim@...>

Hi folks.

14 messages 2003/05/02

[#70594] Why is PHP so popular? What can we learn from the PHP camp? — ptkwt@...1.aracnet.com (Phil Tomson)

....and what can we learn from PHP's rapid rise to success?

99 messages 2003/05/05
[#70641] Re: Why is PHP so popular? What can we learn from the PHP camp? — Andreas Schwarz <usenet@...> 2003/05/05

Aredridel wrote:

[#70652] A wishlist for a "Ruby Standard Library" — Aredridel <aredridel@...> 2003/05/05

A wishlsit for a "Ruby Standard Library":

[#70655] Re: A wishlist for a "Ruby Standard Library" — Brian Candler <B.Candler@...> 2003/05/05

On Tue, May 06, 2003 at 07:39:54AM +0900, Aredridel wrote:

[#70673] Re: A wishlist for a "Ruby Standard Library" — Mark Wilson <mwilson13@...> 2003/05/06

[snipped many wonderful things.]

[#70759] Testing for a class existence — "Gennady" <gfb@...>

Does anybody know an easy way to test for a class/module existence in =

15 messages 2003/05/06

[#70770] capture output — "Simon Strandgaard" <0bz63fz3m1qt3001@...>

I have seen much talking about this topic, but no working code!

68 messages 2003/05/06
[#70929] Re: IO.pipe + thread = hangs (was: Re: capture output) — "Robert Klemme" <bob.news@...> 2003/05/08

[#71741] Named Pipes — Mark Firestone <nedry@...> 2003/05/19

What is the recommended procedure for using named pipes in Ruby. Does one

[#71745] Re: Named Pipes — Brian Candler <B.Candler@...> 2003/05/19

On Mon, May 19, 2003 at 06:33:17PM +0900, Mark Firestone wrote:

[#70842] Symbiosis offer: trade Ruby for German :-) — Mauricio Fern疣dez <batsman.geo@...>

17 messages 2003/05/07

[#70865] access a variables name? — "meinrad.recheis" <my.name.here@...>

is it possible to access the variable-name of an object?

14 messages 2003/05/07

[#70891] Syck 0.25 + YAML.rb -- Objects in plain-text — why the lucky stiff <ruby-talk@...>

..my faithful friends..

20 messages 2003/05/07

[#70919] petition for raa-install to be included in 1.8 — ptkwt@...1.aracnet.com (Phil Tomson)

Similar to the YamlInRuby petition which has now closed.

14 messages 2003/05/08
[#70920] Re: petition for raa-install to be included in 1.8 — Sam Roberts <sroberts@...> 2003/05/08

I just looked again, and remember why I don't know anything about

[#70921] Re: petition for raa-install to be included in 1.8 — why the lucky stiff <ruby-talk@...> 2003/05/08

You can find a tutorial on using raa-install (as well as its API) at:

[#70985] Can a global be a constant? — Jim Freeze <jim@...>

Hi

36 messages 2003/05/08
[#71001] Re: Can a global be a constant? — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...> 2003/05/08

----- Original Message -----

[#71003] Re: Can a global be a constant? — Jim Freeze <jim@...> 2003/05/08

On Friday, 9 May 2003 at 8:23:52 +0900, Hal E. Fulton wrote:

[#71007] Re: Can a global be a constant? — dblack@... 2003/05/08

Hi --

[#71036] Re: Regexp: why does (re)* return only last repetition? — "Robert Klemme" <bob.news@...>

21 messages 2003/05/09
[#71209] Re: Regexp: why does (re)* return only last repetition? — "Robert Klemme" <bob.news@...> 2003/05/12

[#71225] Re: Regexp: why does (re)* return only last repetition? — Austin Ziegler <austin@...> 2003/05/12

On Mon, 12 May 2003 17:39:19 +0900, Robert Klemme wrote:

[#71229] Re: Regexp: why does (re)* return only last repetition? — Brian Candler <B.Candler@...> 2003/05/12

On Mon, May 12, 2003 at 10:18:00PM +0900, Austin Ziegler wrote:

[#71266] Re: Regexp: why does (re)* return only last repetition? — Austin Ziegler <austin@...> 2003/05/12

On Mon, 12 May 2003 23:51:44 +0900, Brian Candler wrote:

[#71042] TCP Sockets — Dominik Werder <dwerder@...>

Hi there,

28 messages 2003/05/09
[#71089] Re: TCP Sockets — Tom Felker <tcfelker@...> 2003/05/09

On Fri, 2003-05-09 at 05:40, Dominik Werder wrote:

[#71543] Re: TCP Sockets — Dominik Werder <dwerder@...> 2003/05/16

>> How can I tell how many bytes can be read from an IO object without

[#71547] Re: TCP Sockets — Brian Candler <B.Candler@...> 2003/05/16

On Fri, May 16, 2003 at 05:14:17PM +0900, Dominik Werder wrote:

[#71550] Re: TCP Sockets — Dominik Werder <dwerder@...> 2003/05/16

my problem is not the http protocol itself (not at this time :) but the IO-

[#71551] Re: TCP Sockets — Brian Candler <B.Candler@...> 2003/05/16

On Fri, May 16, 2003 at 07:20:30PM +0900, Dominik Werder wrote:

[#71553] Re: TCP Sockets — Dominik Werder <dwerder@...> 2003/05/16

> Maybe, but threads are really the "ruby way" to solve this problem.

[#71557] Re: TCP Sockets — Brian Candler <B.Candler@...> 2003/05/16

On Fri, May 16, 2003 at 07:53:39PM +0900, Dominik Werder wrote:

[#71562] Re: TCP Sockets — Dominik Werder <dwerder@...> 2003/05/16

> That would mean mixing the binary streams in a non-deterministic way,

[#71107] RCR for child execution — Brian Candler <B.Candler@...>

Looking on RubyGarden it seems that the RCR process there is "resting", so

99 messages 2003/05/10
[#71122] Re: RCR for child execution — "Simon Strandgaard" <0bz63fz3m1qt3001@...> 2003/05/10

On Sun, 11 May 2003 01:50:49 +0900, Brian Candler wrote:

[#71126] Re: RCR for child execution — Brian Candler <B.Candler@...> 2003/05/10

On Sun, May 11, 2003 at 01:27:31AM +0900, Simon Strandgaard wrote:

[#71364] Re: RCR for child execution — "Simon Strandgaard" <0bz63fz3m1qt3001@...> 2003/05/13

On Tue, 13 May 2003 21:11:08 +0000, ahoward wrote:

[#71385] Re: RCR for child execution — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2003/05/14

Hi,

[#71152] Is Rubygarden's wiki restricted to English? — Mauricio Fern疣dez <batsman.geo@...>

20 messages 2003/05/11
[#71160] Re: Is Rubygarden's wiki restricted to English? — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...> 2003/05/11

----- Original Message -----

[#71165] Re: Is Rubygarden's wiki restricted to English? — Mauricio Fern疣dez <batsman.geo@...> 2003/05/11

On Mon, May 12, 2003 at 12:40:26AM +0900, Hal E. Fulton wrote:

[#71189] efficiency advice needed — "meinrad.recheis" <my.name.here@...>

hi,

12 messages 2003/05/11

[#71297] State Pattern Implementation — "Robert Klemme" <bob.news@...>

22 messages 2003/05/13

[#71361] Objects VS Datastructures — Simon Vandemoortele <deliriousREMOVEUPPERCASETEXTTOREPLY@...>

19 messages 2003/05/13

[#71447] Embedding/GC/heap corruption problem — "Jan Bernhardt" <j.bernhardt@...>

Hi,

22 messages 2003/05/14

[#71488] Test::Unit sequencing — Brian Candler <B.Candler@...>

A question for more experienced Test::Unit users.

23 messages 2003/05/15
[#71492] Re: Test::Unit sequencing — Anders Bengtsson <ndrsbngtssn@...> 2003/05/15

--- Brian Candler <B.Candler@pobox.com> wrote:

[#71508] Re: Test::Unit sequencing — ahoward <ahoward@...> 2003/05/15

On Thu, 15 May 2003, [iso-8859-1] Anders Bengtsson wrote:

[#71510] RCR: $INCLUDED global var — martindemello@... (Martin DeMello)

$INCLUDED = (__FILE__ != $0)

25 messages 2003/05/15
[#71515] Re: RCR: $INCLUDED global var — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2003/05/15

Hi,

[#71525] Re: RCR: $INCLUDED global var — ahoward <ahoward@...> 2003/05/15

On Fri, 16 May 2003, Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:

[#71520] public/protected/private syntax — Guillaume Marcais <guslist@...>

I tend to find the public/protected/private keywords in Ruby a little odd.

27 messages 2003/05/15
[#71540] Re: public/protected/private syntax — "Robert Klemme" <bob.news@...> 2003/05/16

[#71573] Re: public/protected/private syntax — Guillaume Marcais <guillaume.marcais@...> 2003/05/16

On Friday 16 May 2003 03:38 am, you wrote:

[#71595] Re: public/protected/private syntax — Austin Ziegler <austin@...> 2003/05/16

On Fri, 16 May 2003 23:33:21 +0900, Guillaume Marcais wrote:

[#71560] gzip cgi compression — Dominik Werder <dwerder@...>

Is zlib compatible with HTTP-gzip-output-compression?

14 messages 2003/05/16

[#71636] select strange behavier — "Simon Strandgaard" <0bz63fz3m1qt3001@...>

'select' is suppose to watch some file-descriptors and when an event

22 messages 2003/05/17

[#71673] An Object Going Out Of Scope — "vinita Papur" <gkapur@...>

A quick question. How can one discern when an object goes out of scope?

46 messages 2003/05/18
[#71678] Re: An Object Going Out Of Scope — "MikkelFJ" <mikkelfj-anti-spam@...> 2003/05/18

[#71680] Re: An Object Going Out Of Scope — Mauricio Fern疣dez <batsman.geo@...> 2003/05/18

On Sun, May 18, 2003 at 06:08:43PM +0900, MikkelFJ wrote:

[#71681] ruby garbage collection — "Gaffer" <gaffer@...> 2003/05/18

i need this for a realtime game application which has embedded ruby -- after

[#71683] Re: ruby garbage collection — Mauricio Fern疣dez <batsman.geo@...> 2003/05/18

On Sun, May 18, 2003 at 08:35:11PM +0900, Gaffer wrote:

[#71685] Re: ruby garbage collection — "Gaffer" <gaffer@...> 2003/05/18

strange, i found the rb_gc call on my own and called that to good effect

[#71688] Re: ruby garbage collection — "Simon Strandgaard" <0bz63fz3m1qt3001@...> 2003/05/18

On Sun, 18 May 2003 22:10:18 +0900, Gaffer wrote:

[#71689] Re: ruby garbage collection — "Gaffer" <gaffer@...> 2003/05/18

i think its actually the GC cleaning up matrix and vector classes (my own

[#71691] Re: ruby garbage collection — "Simon Strandgaard" <0bz63fz3m1qt3001@...> 2003/05/18

On Sun, 18 May 2003 22:39:17 +0900, Gaffer wrote:

[#71692] Re: ruby garbage collection — "Gaffer" <gaffer@...> 2003/05/18

i'm pretty sure i've tracked down the cause, this is my first time embedding

[#71695] Re: ruby garbage collection — "Simon Strandgaard" <0bz63fz3m1qt3001@...> 2003/05/18

On Sun, 18 May 2003 23:48:28 +0900, Gaffer wrote:

[#71948] How I'd like method-wrapping to work... — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...>

OK, I read Matz's blog entries as well as I could.

16 messages 2003/05/21

[#72030] why is "does" missing from this sub!-stitution? — Dave Oshel <dcoshel@...>

[~/Desktop] dave$ cat foobar.rb ; foobar.rb

19 messages 2003/05/22
[#72037] Re: why is "does" missing from this sub!-stitution? — Dave Oshel <dcoshel@...> 2003/05/22

In article <20030522202818.GA24497@student.ei.uni-stuttgart.de>,

[#72056] Naive CGI question — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...>

I'm betting this is either impossible

15 messages 2003/05/23

[#72134] Problem compiling extension on Solaris — "Tim Hunter" <cyclists@...>

I have an user who is trying to build RMagick on Solaris with Ruby 1.6.8.

22 messages 2003/05/25
[#72262] Re: Problem compiling extension on Solaris — Daniel Berger <djberge@...> 2003/05/27

[#72150] Binary Tree vs. Hash — Xiangrong Fang <xrfang@...>

Hi ruby fans,

47 messages 2003/05/26

[#72184] Project Directory Structure — Jim Freeze <jim@...>

Hi:

47 messages 2003/05/26
[#72218] Re: Project Directory Structure — "MikkelFJ" <mikkelfj-anti-spam@...> 2003/05/26

[#72222] Re: Project Directory Structure — Jim Freeze <jim@...> 2003/05/26

Thanks everyone for your input so far.

[#72244] Re: Project Directory Structure — Robert Feldt <feldt@...> 2003/05/27

On Tue, 27 May 2003, Jim Freeze wrote:

[#72260] Re: Project Directory Structure — Jim Freeze <jim@...> 2003/05/27

On Tuesday, 27 May 2003 at 18:26:53 +0900, Robert Feldt wrote:

[#72265] Re: Project Directory Structure — Jim Freeze <jim@...> 2003/05/27

Thanks for all the input. A description of the Project

[#72269] Re: Project Directory Structure — Robert Feldt <feldt@...> 2003/05/27

On Wed, 28 May 2003, Jim Freeze wrote:

[#72274] RCR: unpack/pack Bignum — Robert Feldt <feldt@...>

I'm sure this has been discussed before and maybe there are good reasons

27 messages 2003/05/27
[#72375] Re: RCR: unpack/pack Bignum — Robert Feldt <feldt@...> 2003/05/28

No one seems to be interested in this issue so I'll have to reply to

[#72381] Re: RCR: unpack/pack Bignum — nobu.nokada@... 2003/05/28

Hi,

[#72394] Re: RCR: unpack/pack Bignum — Robert Feldt <feldt@...> 2003/05/29

On Thu, 29 May 2003 nobu.nokada@softhome.net wrote:

[#72403] Re: RCR: unpack/pack Bignum — nobu.nokada@... 2003/05/29

Hi,

[#72600] What is BER compression? (was RCR: unpack/pack Bignum) — Sam Roberts <sroberts@...> 2003/05/31

Is it documented anywhere, what this 'w' template is useful for?

[#72371] Windows Installer for Ruby 1.8.0 (CVS) — Andrew Hunt <andy@...>

Hi all,

16 messages 2003/05/28

[#72388] Array.extend versus instance.extend — "Simon Strandgaard" <0bz63fz3m1qt3001@...>

I want to install 'shift_until_kind_of' in the global Array class

18 messages 2003/05/29

[#72420] Metakit for Ruby - Would you want it? — bobx@... (Bob)

I have a gentleman in England who I have been talking with who is

23 messages 2003/05/29

[#72439] Iteration - last detection — "Orion Hunter" <orion2480@...>

Is there any built in functionality for iteration that will allow me to

41 messages 2003/05/29
[#72510] Re: Iteration - last detection — Carlos <angus@...> 2003/05/30

> Is there any built in functionality for iteration that will allow me to

[#72577] IF statement in ruby 1.8.0 (2003-05-26) [i386-mswin32] — "Shashank Date" <sdate@...>

Just when I thought that I had perfectly understood the IF statement in

14 messages 2003/05/31

Closures, capturing variables and evilness

From: Mauricio Fern疣dez <batsman.geo@...>
Date: 2003-05-26 08:30:38 UTC
List: ruby-talk #72159
In Ruby, a closure encapsulates the whole environment (aka. binding or
FRAME) it is defined in, regardless of the variables it really uses.
However, you can only access variables directly if they were defined
earlier; otherwise, eval is needed.

Questions:

 1) are these semantics intentional or an implementation artifact?
  ie. will the following work in Ruby "forever"?

   def make_closure
      p = proc { puts eval("bla") }
      #...
      bla = "foo"
      p
   end

   puts make_closure.call
   
 2) why the difference between direct access and eval?

 3) if the answer to (1) is "implementation artifact", would the following 
    semantics make sense in the future?

   def make_closure
      p = proc { puts eval("bla") }
      ...
      bla = "foo"
      p
   end
   make_closure.call  # => NameError: undefined local variable or method 'bla'

   def make_closure
      p = proc { puts bla }
      ...
      bla = "foo"
      p
   end
   make_closure.call  # => NameError: undefined local variable or method 'bla'

  ie. only capture explicitly referenced vars declared previously, which 
  disallows use of eval to get captured locals.

  This allows the use of lambda lifting or some other optimization (and
  it *would* require the implementation to change if an exception is to
  be raised).

 4) Not having read the source code very carefully, the following seems
    to indicate that Ruby uses static links from one FRAME to its
    parent:
extern struct FRAME {
    VALUE self;
    int argc;
    VALUE *argv;
    ID last_func;
    ID orig_func;
    VALUE last_class;
    VALUE cbase;
    struct FRAME *prev;    /* <--- THIS */
    struct FRAME *tmp;     /* side question: what's that for?  */
    struct RNode *node; 
    int iter;
    int flags;
} *ruby_frame;

    I understand this is the simplest way to implement the current
    semantics, but this means that all environments are encapsulated
    when nesting closures, doesn't it? I know this is minor point, cause
    we don't really do that a lot and the usage pattern to experience
    problems would be quite strange.

Summing up
==========
Somebody could "easily" get bitten by exceedingly high memory needs as
things stand right now.

IMHO closures are "too powerful" wrt. eval and accessing vars.

If that is forbidden, closures can be analyzed on creation so that only
the required locals are encapsulated.

Is this something further work can be done on?



Some code to increase my Ruby/English ratio :)

batsman@tux-chan:/tmp$ expand -t2 am.rb

def create_garbage(times)
  bla = "a" * times     # create (possibly) huge object
  p = proc do
    puts "Destroying frame."
    begin
      puts "With eval"
      eval %{puts "bla == #{bla}"}
      eval %{puts "bla2 == #{bla}"}
      puts "Directly"
      puts %{bla == #{bla}}
      puts %{bla2 == #{bla2}}
    rescue Exception => e
      puts e
    end
  end
  ObjectSpace.define_finalizer( bla, p )
  captured = 1
  bla2 = "b" * times
  proc { captured }
end

a = create_garbage(10)
puts "Variable captured by the closure. Frame not released."
GC.start
a = nil
puts "Released variable. Frame disappears."
GC.start
batsman@tux-chan:/tmp$ ruby am.rb
Variable captured by the closure. Frame not released.
Released variable. Frame disappears.
Destroying frame.
With eval
bla == aaaaaaaaaa
bla2 == aaaaaaaaaa
Directly
bla == aaaaaaaaaa
undefined local variable or method `bla2' for #<Object:0x401ae9ac>


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