From: ptkwt@...1.aracnet.com (Phil Tomson)
Date: 2003-03-07T04:53:51+09:00
Subject: Re: Ruby and Python related in Cyrillic ;-)

In article <003201c2e3fb$59b1b4b0$c20ca8c0@gfb>,
Gennady <gfb@tonesoft.com> wrote:
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>Subject: Re: Ruby and Python related in Cyrillic ;-)
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>> Hi, Phil !
>>=20
>> If you don't know, language name not translated ;-)
>> I think it was not fortunate joke. Sorry.
>> Better, I think you should to wish more success in Ruby Russian Way.
>>=20
>
>Phil was the only one so far to notice the anouncement and express warm =
>feelings towards the first (as it seems) Russian site devoted to =
>programming in Ruby. And you, Vladimir, were the first to slap him for =
>the joke. In the very least your remark is rude and something well =
>avoided on this list. Sorry.

Don't worry, no offense taken... my joke was rather obscure and probably 
didn't translate well...

>
>For those curious (and those who have cyrillic support enabled), Ruby =
>would spell in Russian as
>=D0=D3=C1=C8
>or, if you do name translation for this gem stone, even:
>=D0=D3=C1=C8=CD
>
>However we do not ususlly translate programming languages names.
>

Interesting, so you pretty much have to know English to know how to say 
them.  Well, I suppose you pretty much have to know English to program in 
them as well...

So if you see 'Python' in a Russian document wouldn't your first 
inclination (if Russian is your native language) be to pronounce it 
something like 'Roo' as the first syllable?  Like as a native English 
speaker my first inclination at seeing: Pycc would be to pronounce it as 
'piess' whereas in Russian it would be pronounced 'roos'.

I took a semester of Russian at community college and one of the first 
things you have to get is that some letters that look familiar to you 
(they exist in the English alphabet) have been 'overloaded' with different 
phonemes (P->R, y->oo, B->V, etc.) I suspect the same happens for Russians 
learning English.

Phil