[#43299] Ruby implementation Q's — justinj@... (Justin Johnson)

Apologies in advance for this meaty posting:

30 messages 2002/07/01

[#43358] (0..3) == (0...4) returning false? — Massimiliano Mirra <list@...>

Is there a reason for two ranges holding the same extension but

41 messages 2002/07/02

[#43416] Segmentation Fault - Ruby Garbage Collection — James Eric Birmingham <avenger@...>

During load testing of our Ruby program, we have been getting

22 messages 2002/07/02

[#43570] self_parent — Tom Sawyer <transami@...>

i was wondering what others thought of the idea of having a built in

47 messages 2002/07/04
[#43571] Re: self_parent — David Alan Black <dblack@...> 2002/07/04

Hello --

[#43584] Re: self_parent — Tom Sawyer <transami@...> 2002/07/04

all my real examples are pretty large, mostly to do with using the REXML

[#43628] Re: self_parent — Massimiliano Mirra <list@...> 2002/07/05

On Fri, Jul 05, 2002 at 07:49:09AM +0900, Tom Sawyer wrote:

[#43662] Re: self_parent — Tom Sawyer <transami@...> 2002/07/05

On Fri, 2002-07-05 at 05:31, Massimiliano Mirra wrote:

[#43705] Re: self_parent — Austin Ziegler <austin@...> 2002/07/05

On Sat, 6 Jul 2002 03:32:11 +0900, Tom Sawyer wrote:

[#43713] Re: self_parent — Michael Campbell <michael_s_campbell@...> 2002/07/05

> In ten years of professional software development, a good chunk of

[#43602] is there a better string.each? — Tyler Spivey <tspivey8@...>

well, i have a bit of a problem:

98 messages 2002/07/05
[#43606] Re: is there a better string.each? — Tom Sawyer <transami@...> 2002/07/05

a = "canada"

[#43644] Re: is there a better string.each? — Sean Russell <ser@...> 2002/07/05

Tom Sawyer wrote:

[#43645] Re: is there a better string.each? — Michael Campbell <michael_s_campbell@...> 2002/07/05

> > thought it was strange myself. personally i'd like it if String

[#43707] Re: is there a better string.each? — Sean Russell <ser@...> 2002/07/05

Hal E. Fulton wrote:

[#43714] Re: is there a better string.each? — Michael Campbell <michael_s_campbell@...> 2002/07/05

[#43774] Re: is there a better string.each? — Sean Russell <ser@...> 2002/07/06

Michael Campbell wrote:

[#43805] Re: is there a better string.each? — Michael Campbell <michael_s_campbell@...> 2002/07/07

[#43848] Re: is there a better string.each? — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...> 2002/07/07

----- Original Message -----

[#43611] Powered by Ruby (logo) — Davey <davey@...>

Hey,

23 messages 2002/07/05

[#43780] passing to objects at the bottom — Tom Sawyer <transami@...>

i have a chain of objects such that one object contains another which

17 messages 2002/07/06

[#43795] Pre-RCR... nil.empty? — Dave Thomas <Dave@...>

34 messages 2002/07/07
[#43799] Re: Pre-RCR... nil.empty? — David Alan Black <dblack@...> 2002/07/07

Hi --

[#43807] unshifting a directory onto ENV['PATH'] — Bil Kleb <W.L.Kleb@...>

Is there a more elegant (compact?) method than

16 messages 2002/07/07

[#43916] How to determine EOF with sysread? — Jim Freeze <jim@...>

Hi:

13 messages 2002/07/08

[#43943] SV: SV: [ANN] Archive 0.2 — Thomas Søndergaard <tsondergaard@...>

DQo+IFRoYW5rcy4gOi0pIEknbSBub3QgdGVycmlibHkgaW4gaHVycnkgdG8gYWRkIFppcCBzdXBw

13 messages 2002/07/08

[#43944] Re: is there a better string.each? — George Ogata <g_ogata@...>

Hi,

45 messages 2002/07/08
[#43959] Re: is there a better string.each? — Austin Ziegler <austin@...> 2002/07/08

On Mon, 8 Jul 2002 20:43:57 +0900, George Ogata wrote:

[#43949] for ... else ... end — "Kontra, Gergely" <kgergely@...>

Hi!

45 messages 2002/07/08
[#44103] Re: for ... else ... end — Sean Russell <ser@...> 2002/07/09

Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:

[#44107] Re: for ... else ... end — "Kontra, Gergely" <kgergely@...> 2002/07/09

For the keyword war: (silly, dummy example)

[#43957] Redirecting standard error — Gilles Filippini <gilles.filippini@...>

Hi,

13 messages 2002/07/08

[#44019] String#split converts string args to regexes -- ? — David Alan Black <dblack@...>

Hello --

41 messages 2002/07/08
[#44104] Re: String#split converts string args to regexes -- ? — kasal@... (Stepan Kasal) 2002/07/09

Hallo,

[#44137] Re: String#split converts string args to regexes -- ? — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2002/07/09

Hi,

[#44209] Re: String#split converts string args to regexes -- ? — kasal@... (Stepan Kasal) 2002/07/10

Hallo,

[#44212] Re: String#split converts string args to regexes -- ? — David Alan Black <dblack@...> 2002/07/10

Hi --

[#44265] spliter of for...each: looping — Tom Sawyer <transami@...>

when looping, using each, i find i am often wonton of a few nice

24 messages 2002/07/10
[#44266] Re: spliter of for...each: looping — David Alan Black <dblack@...> 2002/07/10

Hello --

[#44268] Re: spliter of for...each: looping — Tom Sawyer <transami@...> 2002/07/10

hmmm...

[#44270] Re: spliter of for...each: looping — David Alan Black <dblack@...> 2002/07/10

Hi --

[#44272] Re: spliter of for...each: looping — Tom Sawyer <transami@...> 2002/07/10

david,

[#44275] Re: spliter of for...each: looping — David Alan Black <dblack@...> 2002/07/10

Hi --

[#44282] Re: spliter of for...each: looping — Tom Sawyer <transami@...> 2002/07/11

each_with_nindex, rocking! i'll throw that in my library, for sure.

[#44289] Re: spliter of for...each: looping — David Alan Black <dblack@...> 2002/07/11

Hi --

[#44296] RE: Commercial Support for Ruby — "Berger, Daniel" <djberge@...>

> Hi Everyone,

18 messages 2002/07/11

[#44312] opengl — Tom Sawyer <transami@...>

can any one give me some help installing the opengl interface library? i

22 messages 2002/07/11
[#44316] Re: opengl — Dossy <dossy@...> 2002/07/11

On 2002.07.12, Tom Sawyer <transami@transami.net> wrote:

[#44320] Re: opengl — Tom Sawyer <transami@...> 2002/07/11

just did apt-get mesag-dev. still the same thing:

[#44387] Dynamic Methods — "John" <nojgoalbyspam@...>

Hi all,

29 messages 2002/07/12
[#44402] Re: Dynamic Methods — "John" <nojgoalbyspam@...> 2002/07/12

Wow! Thanks Dave!

[#44408] Re: Dynamic Methods — Michael Campbell <michael_s_campbell@...> 2002/07/12

[#44415] Re: Dynamic Methods — "John" <nojgoalbyspam@...> 2002/07/13

> (What do you propose if more than one possibility matches, by the

[#44425] hey! where's #count? — Tom Sawyer <transami@...>

i went to count the number of equal objects in an array and discoverd

24 messages 2002/07/13
[#44515] Re: hey! where's #count? — "Christoph" <chr_news@...> 2002/07/14

"Tom Sawyer" wrote

[#44516] Re: hey! where's #count? — Philipp Meier <meier@...> 2002/07/14

On Sun, Jul 14, 2002 at 11:41:55PM +0900, Christoph wrote:

[#44517] RE: hey! where's #count? — "Christoph" <crippel@...> 2002/07/14

[#44482] instance_eval — "John" <nojgoalbyspam@...>

Hi all,

14 messages 2002/07/13

[#44618] RE: TkText no -textvariable workaround? — "J.Hawkesworth" <J.Hawkesworth@...>

I think what Tom is after is a neat way to have the widget's display

41 messages 2002/07/16
[#44621] RE: TkText no -textvariable workaround? — Tom Sawyer <transami@...> 2002/07/16

On Tue, 2002-07-16 at 09:08, J.Hawkesworth wrote:

[#44622] Re: TkText no -textvariable workaround? — Dossy <dossy@...> 2002/07/16

On 2002.07.17, Tom Sawyer <transami@transami.net> wrote:

[#44626] Re: TkText no -textvariable workaround? — Tom Sawyer <transami@...> 2002/07/16

actually, Dossy, your post was a bit helpful. what i'm after also sort

[#44628] Re: TkText no -textvariable workaround? — Dossy <dossy@...> 2002/07/16

On 2002.07.17, Tom Sawyer <transami@transami.net> wrote:

[#44734] Syntax "surprise" — "David Douthitt" <DDouthitt@...>

I don't know if this qualifies as a real "surprise", but it was to me. I h=

39 messages 2002/07/17

[#44788] Selling ruby to my boss — Francis Hwang <sera@...>

So I've just started working as the sole programmer at a non-profit

22 messages 2002/07/18

[#44829] Q: "print usage_msg, exit 1 if error_flag" does not work — kwatch@... (kwatch)

Hi,

15 messages 2002/07/18
[#44831] Re: Q: "print usage_msg, exit 1 if error_flag" does not work — ts <decoux@...> 2002/07/18

>>>>> "k" == kwatch <kwatch@lycos.jp> writes:

[#44832] Re: Q: "print usage_msg, exit 1 if error_flag" does not work — Hugh Sasse Staff Elec Eng <hgs@...> 2002/07/18

On Thu, 18 Jul 2002, ts wrote:

[#44833] Re: Q: "print usage_msg, exit 1 if error_flag" does not work — ts <decoux@...> 2002/07/18

>>>>> "H" == Hugh Sasse Staff Elec Eng <hgs@dmu.ac.uk> writes:

[#44855] Ruby in MacOSX 10.2 (Jaguar) — Luc Heinrich <lucsky@...>

It now seems to be "official" that Ruby will come by default with the next iteration of MacOSX.

12 messages 2002/07/18

[#44893] amrita 0.8.1 — Taku Nakajima <tnakajima@...>

Amrita is a a html/xhtml template library for Ruby.

22 messages 2002/07/19

[#44920] Objective C backend for Ruby? — "James F.Hranicky" <jfh@...>

While people are kicking around ideas for new backends for Ruby,

24 messages 2002/07/19

[#44985] GUI's and the Rouge, Part II — Tom Sawyer <transami@...>

in part one of this message i mention the problem of non-POLS and

72 messages 2002/07/20
[#45161] Re: GUI's and the Rouge, Part II — patrick-may@... (Patrick May) 2002/07/23

Ned Konz <ned@bike-nomad.com> wrote in message news:<200207201125.13528@ned.bike-nomad.com>...

[#45241] Re: GUI's and the Rouge, Part III (yes, finally) 1/2 — Tom Sawyer <transami@...> 2002/07/23

a bit of an intro: my original thought on the matter of making a

[#45246] Re: GUI's and the Rouge, Part III (yes, finally) 1/2 — Albert Wagner <alwagner@...> 2002/07/24

Still looks like plain old Model-View-Controller to me. You've split the

[#45282] RE: GUI's and the Rouge, Part III (yes, finally) 1/2 — "Curt Hibbs" <curt@...> 2002/07/24

Tom Sawyer wrote:

[#45287] RE: GUI's and the Rouge, Part III (yes, finally) 1/2 — Steve Tuckner <STUCKNER@...> 2002/07/24

What about WX-Windows. There is no ruby bindings for it, but would that fit

[#45300] RE: GUI's and the Rouge, Part III (yes, finally) 1/2 — Tom Sawyer <transami@...> 2002/07/24

On Wed, 2002-07-24 at 08:39, Steve Tuckner wrote:

[#45314] Re: GUI's and the Rouge, Part III (yes, finally) 1/2 — Wayne Vucenic <wvucenic@...> 2002/07/24

Hi Tom,

[#45364] RE: GUI's and the Rouge, Part III (yes, finally) 1/2 — "Curt Hibbs" <curt@...> 2002/07/25

Wayne Vucenic wrote:

[#45416] wxWindows for ruby — "repeater" <repeater@...> 2002/07/25

> Wayne Vucenic wrote:

[#44994] Learning Japanese — "John" <nojgoalbyspam@...>

Inspired to learn to read Japanese due to a lot of information on Ruby being

12 messages 2002/07/20

[#45044] Install troubles — Jim Freeze <jfreeze@...>

Hi:

13 messages 2002/07/21
[#45051] Re: Install troubles — Chris Gehlker <gehlker@...> 2002/07/21

On 7/21/02 12:13 PM, "Jim Freeze" <jfreeze@freebsdportal.com> wrote:

[#45085] ruby-dev summary 17696-17713 — Minero Aoki <aamine@...>

Hi all,

28 messages 2002/07/22
[#45090] rdtool and rdoc — Dave Thomas <Dave@...> 2002/07/22

Minero Aoki <aamine@mx.edit.ne.jp> writes:

[#45118] Re: rdtool and rdoc — "David Douthitt" <DDouthitt@...>

I took a look at your comparison page. I've not used either, but some thin=

16 messages 2002/07/22

[#45136] Strings and member-operators — the Bare <grrr@...>

Hi:

22 messages 2002/07/22
[#45140] Re: Strings and member-operators — Dossy <dossy@...> 2002/07/23

On 2002.07.23, the Bare <grrr@wild.net> wrote:

[#45148] Re: Strings and member-operators — David Alan Black <dblack@...> 2002/07/23

Hi --

[#45173] Re: Strings and member-operators — Dossy <dossy@...> 2002/07/23

On 2002.07.23, David Alan Black <dblack@candle.superlink.net> wrote:

[#45175] Re: Strings and member-operators — David Alan Black <dblack@...> 2002/07/23

Hi --

[#45198] Re: Strings and member-operators — George Ogata <g_ogata@...> 2002/07/23

Hello,

[#45201] Re: Strings and member-operators — David Alan Black <dblack@...> 2002/07/23

Hi --

[#45206] Re: Strings and member-operators — Tom Sawyer <transami@...> 2002/07/23

let me get this straight? is the original question how to strip a string

[#45257] Re: GUI's and the Rouge, Part III (yes, finally) 1/2 — Benjamin Peterson <bjsp123@...>

>you have this super application you wrote --the

11 messages 2002/07/24

[#45269] Can I get data back from a fork? — Jim Freeze <jfreeze@...>

Hi:

15 messages 2002/07/24

[#45286] Re: GUI's and the Rouge, Part III (yes, finally) 1/2 — Benjamin Peterson <bjsp123@...>

>its really just SOC on aanother level.

10 messages 2002/07/24

[#45368] Re: [OT] Re: GUI's and the Rouge, Part III (yes, finally) 1/2 — Benjamin Peterson <bjsp123@...>

>The functionality of a spreadsheet had been around

39 messages 2002/07/25
[#45476] Re: curses dev kit, was Re: [OT] Re: GUI's and the Rouge — Thomas Dickey <dickey@...> 2002/07/26

clemens fischer <ino-waiting@gmx.net> wrote:

[#45480] Re: curses dev kit, was Re: [OT] Re: GUI's and the Rouge — Massimiliano Mirra <list@...> 2002/07/26

On Fri, Jul 26, 2002 at 07:51:25PM +0900, Thomas Dickey wrote:

[#45422] Singleton Classes & thread safety — David King Landrith <dave@...>

I'm a bit new to Ruby, so please excuse me if this is a simplistic=20

24 messages 2002/07/25
[#45425] Re: Singleton Classes & thread safety — Ned Konz <ned@...> 2002/07/25

On Thursday 25 July 2002 02:06 pm, David King Landrith wrote:

[#45427] Re: Singleton Classes & thread safety — David King Landrith <dave@...> 2002/07/25

On Thursday, July 25, 2002, at 05:26 PM, Ned Konz wrote:

[#45430] Re: Singleton Classes & thread safety — Ned Konz <ned@...> 2002/07/25

On Thursday 25 July 2002 02:44 pm, David King Landrith wrote:

[#45431] How do you think of... — Michael Campbell <michael_s_campbell@...> 2002/07/25

This is going to sound like an odd question, and there's no "right"

[#45429] Opinion on Ruby maturity, the missing things — "Paul E.C. Melis" <paul@...>

Hello all,

18 messages 2002/07/25
[#45440] Re: Opinion on Ruby maturity, the missing things — John Carter <john.carter@...> 2002/07/25

On Fri, 26 Jul 2002, Paul E.C. Melis wrote:

[#45465] Ruby-Talk Index — Tom Sawyer <transami@...>

here's a one nighter coding challange for some one feeling the need to

17 messages 2002/07/26
[#45466] Re: Ruby-Talk Index — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2002/07/26

Hi,

[#45467] Re: Ruby-Talk Index — Tom Sawyer <transami@...> 2002/07/26

On Thu, 2002-07-25 at 23:50, Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:

[#45621] Seattle.rb meeting tomorrow (7/30) — Pat Eyler <pate@...>

Just a quick reminder that we'll be meeting tomorrow night at 7:00 PM at

11 messages 2002/07/29

[#45644] FormatR 1.06 — Paul Rubel <rubel@...>

A new release of FormatR is out, 1.06. FormatR provides perl-like

37 messages 2002/07/30

[#45688] Ruby Language Q's — "Justin Johnson" <justinj@...>

76 messages 2002/07/30
[#45689] Re: Ruby Language Q's — Dave Thomas <Dave@...> 2002/07/30

"Justin Johnson" <justinj@mobiusent.com> writes:

[#45690] Re: Ruby Language Q's — ts <decoux@...> 2002/07/30

>>>>> "D" == Dave Thomas <Dave@PragmaticProgrammer.com> writes:

[#45723] Syntax proposal — Massimiliano Mirra <list@...>

I often write things like this:

12 messages 2002/07/30

[#45737] ActiveRubyScript and RubyAEOSA — Chris Gehlker <gehlker@...>

I just discovered ActiveRubyScript (sometimes written as two words) by

14 messages 2002/07/30
[#45742] Re: ActiveRubyScript and RubyAEOSA — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...> 2002/07/30

----- Original Message -----

[#45768] RE: A very basic tail -f implementation — "Berger, Daniel" <djberge@...>

> From: Paul Brannan [mailto:pbrannan@atdesk.com]

12 messages 2002/07/30

[#45799] Question about GetoptLong — Patrick Bennett <patrick.bennett@...>

I'm trying to recreate a Perl script in Ruby and have run into a problem.

22 messages 2002/07/31

[#45829] Unicode in Ruby now? — Tobias Peters <tpeters@...>

I've read the thread "Unicode in Ruby's Future?" [ruby-talk: 40016]. It

52 messages 2002/07/31
[#45840] Re: Unicode in Ruby now? — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2002/07/31

Hi,

[#45954] Re: Unicode in Ruby now? — Tobias Peters <tpeters@...> 2002/08/01

On Wed, 31 Jul 2002, Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:

[#45960] Re: Unicode in Ruby now? — Curt Sampson <cjs@...> 2002/08/01

On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Tobias Peters wrote:

[#45969] Re: Unicode in Ruby now? — Alexander Bokovoy <a.bokovoy@...> 2002/08/01

On Thu, Aug 01, 2002 at 07:53:07PM +0900, Curt Sampson wrote:

[#45973] Re: Unicode in Ruby now? — Curt Sampson <cjs@...> 2002/08/01

On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Alexander Bokovoy wrote:

[#45979] Re: Unicode in Ruby now? — Alexander Bokovoy <a.bokovoy@...> 2002/08/01

On Thu, Aug 01, 2002 at 09:55:48PM +0900, Curt Sampson wrote:

[#45982] Re: Unicode in Ruby now? — Curt Sampson <cjs@...> 2002/08/01

On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Alexander Bokovoy wrote:

[#45993] Re: Unicode in Ruby now? — Alexander Bokovoy <a.bokovoy@...> 2002/08/01

On Thu, Aug 01, 2002 at 11:23:38PM +0900, Curt Sampson wrote:

[#46042] Re: Unicode in Ruby now? — Curt Sampson <cjs@...> 2002/08/02

On Fri, 2 Aug 2002, Alexander Bokovoy wrote:

[#46260] Re: Unicode in Ruby now? — Clifford Heath <cjh_nospam@...> 2002/08/04

Curt Sampson wrote:

[#46266] Re: Unicode in Ruby now? — Curt Sampson <cjs@...> 2002/08/05

On Mon, 5 Aug 2002, Clifford Heath wrote:

[#46281] Re: Unicode in Ruby now? — Clifford Heath <cjh_nospam@...> 2002/08/05

Curt Sampson wrote:

[#45922] Re: Unicode in Ruby now? — Clifford Heath <cjh_nospam@...> 2002/08/01

Matz,

[#45931] Re: Unicode in Ruby now? — Curt Sampson <cjs@...> 2002/08/01

On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Clifford Heath wrote:

[#45859] matrix challange — Daniel Bretoi <lists@...>

15 messages 2002/07/31

[#45876] Emacs is dead, long live whatever comes after that as long as it is made with Ruby — Jani Alanko <jani.alanko@...>

Subject is not exactly right but I was too lazy to invent something that

13 messages 2002/07/31

Re: [OT] Re: GUI's and the Rouge, Part III (yes, finally) 1/2

From: "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...>
Date: 2002-07-30 18:16:27 UTC
List: ruby-talk #45744
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom Sawyer" <transami@transami.net>
To: "ruby-talk ML" <ruby-talk@ruby-lang.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 10:40 AM
Subject: Re: [OT] Re: GUI's and the Rouge, Part III (yes, finally) 1/2


> On Tue, 2002-07-30 at 08:43, Hal E. Fulton wrote:
> > I've been experimenting with the "pluggable" UI concept.
> > Since I don't understand MVC that much, I'm probably
> > reinventing the wheel (or rediscovering fire). But it's 
> > an interesting concept to me.
> > 
> > Anyone who wants to discuss it, speak up.
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > Hal
> 
> Hal, i gots to know more. need to know about your plugable work. i've
> done work on a couple such designs myself. what have you come up with so
> far?

Oh, nothing earth-shattering. I have a couple of apps I'm
playing with, and putting all the user interface stuff
into modules.

Have come up with some simple concepts and rules of thumb.
For example, there is a kind of "one-way coupling" of the UI
module with the "core" of the app. That is, the UI methods
are allowed to know the details of the app itself, but the
app need not (is not allowed to) know the details of the 
UI code.

Except: The UI code must have a simple common interface for
whatever GUI or TUI is implemented. Typically I have 
implemented this as fairly high-level routines like 
ui_prompt_user_yes_no(msg) which e.g. will display a msg and
get a yes or no response. In Tk or Fox I use buttons; at the
simplest level I use puts and gets. 

I use a ui_init for whatever initialization needs to be done.
In pure text, this may be empty.

I use a ui_eventloop that translates in a straightforward way
into Tk or Fox code. In pure text form, it can simply call a
method that displays a menu and/or gets a command via gets.

Within each module (in the methods), I can reference data 
members as needed and they will spring into the existence in 
the class into which I've included the module. These can be 
used to store info related to Tk or Fox widgets or whatever 
is needed. It's a slight increase in coupling, but if the 
"core" code doesn't know about the new member variables (and 
it shouldn't), then it won't normally be referencing them. 
There is, of course, the chance that the same name will 
accidentally be used for a "core" variable and an "interface" 
variable. Since I'm writing both, this doesn't usually happen 
to me. You can reduce the chance by a prefix like "ui_", i.e. 
@ui_root or whatever.

Incidentally, there was some discussion about whether people
actually ever write an app with a text interface and add a 
GUI later. I've been trying that with these two apps, and I
like it a lot so far. It helps with SOC (separation of concerns)
and it makes the interface easier to switch around.

> 
> p.s. love the book, just picked it up a few days ago. thanks.
> 

Thank you.

Hal


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