[#43299] Ruby implementation Q's — justinj@... (Justin Johnson)

Apologies in advance for this meaty posting:

30 messages 2002/07/01

[#43358] (0..3) == (0...4) returning false? — Massimiliano Mirra <list@...>

Is there a reason for two ranges holding the same extension but

41 messages 2002/07/02

[#43416] Segmentation Fault - Ruby Garbage Collection — James Eric Birmingham <avenger@...>

During load testing of our Ruby program, we have been getting

22 messages 2002/07/02

[#43570] self_parent — Tom Sawyer <transami@...>

i was wondering what others thought of the idea of having a built in

47 messages 2002/07/04
[#43571] Re: self_parent — David Alan Black <dblack@...> 2002/07/04

Hello --

[#43584] Re: self_parent — Tom Sawyer <transami@...> 2002/07/04

all my real examples are pretty large, mostly to do with using the REXML

[#43628] Re: self_parent — Massimiliano Mirra <list@...> 2002/07/05

On Fri, Jul 05, 2002 at 07:49:09AM +0900, Tom Sawyer wrote:

[#43662] Re: self_parent — Tom Sawyer <transami@...> 2002/07/05

On Fri, 2002-07-05 at 05:31, Massimiliano Mirra wrote:

[#43705] Re: self_parent — Austin Ziegler <austin@...> 2002/07/05

On Sat, 6 Jul 2002 03:32:11 +0900, Tom Sawyer wrote:

[#43713] Re: self_parent — Michael Campbell <michael_s_campbell@...> 2002/07/05

> In ten years of professional software development, a good chunk of

[#43602] is there a better string.each? — Tyler Spivey <tspivey8@...>

well, i have a bit of a problem:

98 messages 2002/07/05
[#43606] Re: is there a better string.each? — Tom Sawyer <transami@...> 2002/07/05

a = "canada"

[#43644] Re: is there a better string.each? — Sean Russell <ser@...> 2002/07/05

Tom Sawyer wrote:

[#43645] Re: is there a better string.each? — Michael Campbell <michael_s_campbell@...> 2002/07/05

> > thought it was strange myself. personally i'd like it if String

[#43707] Re: is there a better string.each? — Sean Russell <ser@...> 2002/07/05

Hal E. Fulton wrote:

[#43714] Re: is there a better string.each? — Michael Campbell <michael_s_campbell@...> 2002/07/05

[#43774] Re: is there a better string.each? — Sean Russell <ser@...> 2002/07/06

Michael Campbell wrote:

[#43805] Re: is there a better string.each? — Michael Campbell <michael_s_campbell@...> 2002/07/07

[#43848] Re: is there a better string.each? — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...> 2002/07/07

----- Original Message -----

[#43611] Powered by Ruby (logo) — Davey <davey@...>

Hey,

23 messages 2002/07/05

[#43780] passing to objects at the bottom — Tom Sawyer <transami@...>

i have a chain of objects such that one object contains another which

17 messages 2002/07/06

[#43795] Pre-RCR... nil.empty? — Dave Thomas <Dave@...>

34 messages 2002/07/07
[#43799] Re: Pre-RCR... nil.empty? — David Alan Black <dblack@...> 2002/07/07

Hi --

[#43807] unshifting a directory onto ENV['PATH'] — Bil Kleb <W.L.Kleb@...>

Is there a more elegant (compact?) method than

16 messages 2002/07/07

[#43916] How to determine EOF with sysread? — Jim Freeze <jim@...>

Hi:

13 messages 2002/07/08

[#43943] SV: SV: [ANN] Archive 0.2 — Thomas Søndergaard <tsondergaard@...>

DQo+IFRoYW5rcy4gOi0pIEknbSBub3QgdGVycmlibHkgaW4gaHVycnkgdG8gYWRkIFppcCBzdXBw

13 messages 2002/07/08

[#43944] Re: is there a better string.each? — George Ogata <g_ogata@...>

Hi,

45 messages 2002/07/08
[#43959] Re: is there a better string.each? — Austin Ziegler <austin@...> 2002/07/08

On Mon, 8 Jul 2002 20:43:57 +0900, George Ogata wrote:

[#43949] for ... else ... end — "Kontra, Gergely" <kgergely@...>

Hi!

45 messages 2002/07/08
[#44103] Re: for ... else ... end — Sean Russell <ser@...> 2002/07/09

Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:

[#44107] Re: for ... else ... end — "Kontra, Gergely" <kgergely@...> 2002/07/09

For the keyword war: (silly, dummy example)

[#43957] Redirecting standard error — Gilles Filippini <gilles.filippini@...>

Hi,

13 messages 2002/07/08

[#44019] String#split converts string args to regexes -- ? — David Alan Black <dblack@...>

Hello --

41 messages 2002/07/08
[#44104] Re: String#split converts string args to regexes -- ? — kasal@... (Stepan Kasal) 2002/07/09

Hallo,

[#44137] Re: String#split converts string args to regexes -- ? — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2002/07/09

Hi,

[#44209] Re: String#split converts string args to regexes -- ? — kasal@... (Stepan Kasal) 2002/07/10

Hallo,

[#44212] Re: String#split converts string args to regexes -- ? — David Alan Black <dblack@...> 2002/07/10

Hi --

[#44265] spliter of for...each: looping — Tom Sawyer <transami@...>

when looping, using each, i find i am often wonton of a few nice

24 messages 2002/07/10
[#44266] Re: spliter of for...each: looping — David Alan Black <dblack@...> 2002/07/10

Hello --

[#44268] Re: spliter of for...each: looping — Tom Sawyer <transami@...> 2002/07/10

hmmm...

[#44270] Re: spliter of for...each: looping — David Alan Black <dblack@...> 2002/07/10

Hi --

[#44272] Re: spliter of for...each: looping — Tom Sawyer <transami@...> 2002/07/10

david,

[#44275] Re: spliter of for...each: looping — David Alan Black <dblack@...> 2002/07/10

Hi --

[#44282] Re: spliter of for...each: looping — Tom Sawyer <transami@...> 2002/07/11

each_with_nindex, rocking! i'll throw that in my library, for sure.

[#44289] Re: spliter of for...each: looping — David Alan Black <dblack@...> 2002/07/11

Hi --

[#44296] RE: Commercial Support for Ruby — "Berger, Daniel" <djberge@...>

> Hi Everyone,

18 messages 2002/07/11

[#44312] opengl — Tom Sawyer <transami@...>

can any one give me some help installing the opengl interface library? i

22 messages 2002/07/11
[#44316] Re: opengl — Dossy <dossy@...> 2002/07/11

On 2002.07.12, Tom Sawyer <transami@transami.net> wrote:

[#44320] Re: opengl — Tom Sawyer <transami@...> 2002/07/11

just did apt-get mesag-dev. still the same thing:

[#44387] Dynamic Methods — "John" <nojgoalbyspam@...>

Hi all,

29 messages 2002/07/12
[#44402] Re: Dynamic Methods — "John" <nojgoalbyspam@...> 2002/07/12

Wow! Thanks Dave!

[#44408] Re: Dynamic Methods — Michael Campbell <michael_s_campbell@...> 2002/07/12

[#44415] Re: Dynamic Methods — "John" <nojgoalbyspam@...> 2002/07/13

> (What do you propose if more than one possibility matches, by the

[#44425] hey! where's #count? — Tom Sawyer <transami@...>

i went to count the number of equal objects in an array and discoverd

24 messages 2002/07/13
[#44515] Re: hey! where's #count? — "Christoph" <chr_news@...> 2002/07/14

"Tom Sawyer" wrote

[#44516] Re: hey! where's #count? — Philipp Meier <meier@...> 2002/07/14

On Sun, Jul 14, 2002 at 11:41:55PM +0900, Christoph wrote:

[#44517] RE: hey! where's #count? — "Christoph" <crippel@...> 2002/07/14

[#44482] instance_eval — "John" <nojgoalbyspam@...>

Hi all,

14 messages 2002/07/13

[#44618] RE: TkText no -textvariable workaround? — "J.Hawkesworth" <J.Hawkesworth@...>

I think what Tom is after is a neat way to have the widget's display

41 messages 2002/07/16
[#44621] RE: TkText no -textvariable workaround? — Tom Sawyer <transami@...> 2002/07/16

On Tue, 2002-07-16 at 09:08, J.Hawkesworth wrote:

[#44622] Re: TkText no -textvariable workaround? — Dossy <dossy@...> 2002/07/16

On 2002.07.17, Tom Sawyer <transami@transami.net> wrote:

[#44626] Re: TkText no -textvariable workaround? — Tom Sawyer <transami@...> 2002/07/16

actually, Dossy, your post was a bit helpful. what i'm after also sort

[#44628] Re: TkText no -textvariable workaround? — Dossy <dossy@...> 2002/07/16

On 2002.07.17, Tom Sawyer <transami@transami.net> wrote:

[#44734] Syntax "surprise" — "David Douthitt" <DDouthitt@...>

I don't know if this qualifies as a real "surprise", but it was to me. I h=

39 messages 2002/07/17

[#44788] Selling ruby to my boss — Francis Hwang <sera@...>

So I've just started working as the sole programmer at a non-profit

22 messages 2002/07/18

[#44829] Q: "print usage_msg, exit 1 if error_flag" does not work — kwatch@... (kwatch)

Hi,

15 messages 2002/07/18
[#44831] Re: Q: "print usage_msg, exit 1 if error_flag" does not work — ts <decoux@...> 2002/07/18

>>>>> "k" == kwatch <kwatch@lycos.jp> writes:

[#44832] Re: Q: "print usage_msg, exit 1 if error_flag" does not work — Hugh Sasse Staff Elec Eng <hgs@...> 2002/07/18

On Thu, 18 Jul 2002, ts wrote:

[#44833] Re: Q: "print usage_msg, exit 1 if error_flag" does not work — ts <decoux@...> 2002/07/18

>>>>> "H" == Hugh Sasse Staff Elec Eng <hgs@dmu.ac.uk> writes:

[#44855] Ruby in MacOSX 10.2 (Jaguar) — Luc Heinrich <lucsky@...>

It now seems to be "official" that Ruby will come by default with the next iteration of MacOSX.

12 messages 2002/07/18

[#44893] amrita 0.8.1 — Taku Nakajima <tnakajima@...>

Amrita is a a html/xhtml template library for Ruby.

22 messages 2002/07/19

[#44920] Objective C backend for Ruby? — "James F.Hranicky" <jfh@...>

While people are kicking around ideas for new backends for Ruby,

24 messages 2002/07/19

[#44985] GUI's and the Rouge, Part II — Tom Sawyer <transami@...>

in part one of this message i mention the problem of non-POLS and

72 messages 2002/07/20
[#45161] Re: GUI's and the Rouge, Part II — patrick-may@... (Patrick May) 2002/07/23

Ned Konz <ned@bike-nomad.com> wrote in message news:<200207201125.13528@ned.bike-nomad.com>...

[#45241] Re: GUI's and the Rouge, Part III (yes, finally) 1/2 — Tom Sawyer <transami@...> 2002/07/23

a bit of an intro: my original thought on the matter of making a

[#45246] Re: GUI's and the Rouge, Part III (yes, finally) 1/2 — Albert Wagner <alwagner@...> 2002/07/24

Still looks like plain old Model-View-Controller to me. You've split the

[#45282] RE: GUI's and the Rouge, Part III (yes, finally) 1/2 — "Curt Hibbs" <curt@...> 2002/07/24

Tom Sawyer wrote:

[#45287] RE: GUI's and the Rouge, Part III (yes, finally) 1/2 — Steve Tuckner <STUCKNER@...> 2002/07/24

What about WX-Windows. There is no ruby bindings for it, but would that fit

[#45300] RE: GUI's and the Rouge, Part III (yes, finally) 1/2 — Tom Sawyer <transami@...> 2002/07/24

On Wed, 2002-07-24 at 08:39, Steve Tuckner wrote:

[#45314] Re: GUI's and the Rouge, Part III (yes, finally) 1/2 — Wayne Vucenic <wvucenic@...> 2002/07/24

Hi Tom,

[#45364] RE: GUI's and the Rouge, Part III (yes, finally) 1/2 — "Curt Hibbs" <curt@...> 2002/07/25

Wayne Vucenic wrote:

[#45416] wxWindows for ruby — "repeater" <repeater@...> 2002/07/25

> Wayne Vucenic wrote:

[#44994] Learning Japanese — "John" <nojgoalbyspam@...>

Inspired to learn to read Japanese due to a lot of information on Ruby being

12 messages 2002/07/20

[#45044] Install troubles — Jim Freeze <jfreeze@...>

Hi:

13 messages 2002/07/21
[#45051] Re: Install troubles — Chris Gehlker <gehlker@...> 2002/07/21

On 7/21/02 12:13 PM, "Jim Freeze" <jfreeze@freebsdportal.com> wrote:

[#45085] ruby-dev summary 17696-17713 — Minero Aoki <aamine@...>

Hi all,

28 messages 2002/07/22
[#45090] rdtool and rdoc — Dave Thomas <Dave@...> 2002/07/22

Minero Aoki <aamine@mx.edit.ne.jp> writes:

[#45118] Re: rdtool and rdoc — "David Douthitt" <DDouthitt@...>

I took a look at your comparison page. I've not used either, but some thin=

16 messages 2002/07/22

[#45136] Strings and member-operators — the Bare <grrr@...>

Hi:

22 messages 2002/07/22
[#45140] Re: Strings and member-operators — Dossy <dossy@...> 2002/07/23

On 2002.07.23, the Bare <grrr@wild.net> wrote:

[#45148] Re: Strings and member-operators — David Alan Black <dblack@...> 2002/07/23

Hi --

[#45173] Re: Strings and member-operators — Dossy <dossy@...> 2002/07/23

On 2002.07.23, David Alan Black <dblack@candle.superlink.net> wrote:

[#45175] Re: Strings and member-operators — David Alan Black <dblack@...> 2002/07/23

Hi --

[#45198] Re: Strings and member-operators — George Ogata <g_ogata@...> 2002/07/23

Hello,

[#45201] Re: Strings and member-operators — David Alan Black <dblack@...> 2002/07/23

Hi --

[#45206] Re: Strings and member-operators — Tom Sawyer <transami@...> 2002/07/23

let me get this straight? is the original question how to strip a string

[#45257] Re: GUI's and the Rouge, Part III (yes, finally) 1/2 — Benjamin Peterson <bjsp123@...>

>you have this super application you wrote --the

11 messages 2002/07/24

[#45269] Can I get data back from a fork? — Jim Freeze <jfreeze@...>

Hi:

15 messages 2002/07/24

[#45286] Re: GUI's and the Rouge, Part III (yes, finally) 1/2 — Benjamin Peterson <bjsp123@...>

>its really just SOC on aanother level.

10 messages 2002/07/24

[#45368] Re: [OT] Re: GUI's and the Rouge, Part III (yes, finally) 1/2 — Benjamin Peterson <bjsp123@...>

>The functionality of a spreadsheet had been around

39 messages 2002/07/25
[#45476] Re: curses dev kit, was Re: [OT] Re: GUI's and the Rouge — Thomas Dickey <dickey@...> 2002/07/26

clemens fischer <ino-waiting@gmx.net> wrote:

[#45480] Re: curses dev kit, was Re: [OT] Re: GUI's and the Rouge — Massimiliano Mirra <list@...> 2002/07/26

On Fri, Jul 26, 2002 at 07:51:25PM +0900, Thomas Dickey wrote:

[#45422] Singleton Classes & thread safety — David King Landrith <dave@...>

I'm a bit new to Ruby, so please excuse me if this is a simplistic=20

24 messages 2002/07/25
[#45425] Re: Singleton Classes & thread safety — Ned Konz <ned@...> 2002/07/25

On Thursday 25 July 2002 02:06 pm, David King Landrith wrote:

[#45427] Re: Singleton Classes & thread safety — David King Landrith <dave@...> 2002/07/25

On Thursday, July 25, 2002, at 05:26 PM, Ned Konz wrote:

[#45430] Re: Singleton Classes & thread safety — Ned Konz <ned@...> 2002/07/25

On Thursday 25 July 2002 02:44 pm, David King Landrith wrote:

[#45431] How do you think of... — Michael Campbell <michael_s_campbell@...> 2002/07/25

This is going to sound like an odd question, and there's no "right"

[#45429] Opinion on Ruby maturity, the missing things — "Paul E.C. Melis" <paul@...>

Hello all,

18 messages 2002/07/25
[#45440] Re: Opinion on Ruby maturity, the missing things — John Carter <john.carter@...> 2002/07/25

On Fri, 26 Jul 2002, Paul E.C. Melis wrote:

[#45465] Ruby-Talk Index — Tom Sawyer <transami@...>

here's a one nighter coding challange for some one feeling the need to

17 messages 2002/07/26
[#45466] Re: Ruby-Talk Index — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2002/07/26

Hi,

[#45467] Re: Ruby-Talk Index — Tom Sawyer <transami@...> 2002/07/26

On Thu, 2002-07-25 at 23:50, Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:

[#45621] Seattle.rb meeting tomorrow (7/30) — Pat Eyler <pate@...>

Just a quick reminder that we'll be meeting tomorrow night at 7:00 PM at

11 messages 2002/07/29

[#45644] FormatR 1.06 — Paul Rubel <rubel@...>

A new release of FormatR is out, 1.06. FormatR provides perl-like

37 messages 2002/07/30

[#45688] Ruby Language Q's — "Justin Johnson" <justinj@...>

76 messages 2002/07/30
[#45689] Re: Ruby Language Q's — Dave Thomas <Dave@...> 2002/07/30

"Justin Johnson" <justinj@mobiusent.com> writes:

[#45690] Re: Ruby Language Q's — ts <decoux@...> 2002/07/30

>>>>> "D" == Dave Thomas <Dave@PragmaticProgrammer.com> writes:

[#45723] Syntax proposal — Massimiliano Mirra <list@...>

I often write things like this:

12 messages 2002/07/30

[#45737] ActiveRubyScript and RubyAEOSA — Chris Gehlker <gehlker@...>

I just discovered ActiveRubyScript (sometimes written as two words) by

14 messages 2002/07/30
[#45742] Re: ActiveRubyScript and RubyAEOSA — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...> 2002/07/30

----- Original Message -----

[#45768] RE: A very basic tail -f implementation — "Berger, Daniel" <djberge@...>

> From: Paul Brannan [mailto:pbrannan@atdesk.com]

12 messages 2002/07/30

[#45799] Question about GetoptLong — Patrick Bennett <patrick.bennett@...>

I'm trying to recreate a Perl script in Ruby and have run into a problem.

22 messages 2002/07/31

[#45829] Unicode in Ruby now? — Tobias Peters <tpeters@...>

I've read the thread "Unicode in Ruby's Future?" [ruby-talk: 40016]. It

52 messages 2002/07/31
[#45840] Re: Unicode in Ruby now? — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2002/07/31

Hi,

[#45954] Re: Unicode in Ruby now? — Tobias Peters <tpeters@...> 2002/08/01

On Wed, 31 Jul 2002, Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:

[#45960] Re: Unicode in Ruby now? — Curt Sampson <cjs@...> 2002/08/01

On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Tobias Peters wrote:

[#45969] Re: Unicode in Ruby now? — Alexander Bokovoy <a.bokovoy@...> 2002/08/01

On Thu, Aug 01, 2002 at 07:53:07PM +0900, Curt Sampson wrote:

[#45973] Re: Unicode in Ruby now? — Curt Sampson <cjs@...> 2002/08/01

On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Alexander Bokovoy wrote:

[#45979] Re: Unicode in Ruby now? — Alexander Bokovoy <a.bokovoy@...> 2002/08/01

On Thu, Aug 01, 2002 at 09:55:48PM +0900, Curt Sampson wrote:

[#45982] Re: Unicode in Ruby now? — Curt Sampson <cjs@...> 2002/08/01

On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Alexander Bokovoy wrote:

[#45993] Re: Unicode in Ruby now? — Alexander Bokovoy <a.bokovoy@...> 2002/08/01

On Thu, Aug 01, 2002 at 11:23:38PM +0900, Curt Sampson wrote:

[#46042] Re: Unicode in Ruby now? — Curt Sampson <cjs@...> 2002/08/02

On Fri, 2 Aug 2002, Alexander Bokovoy wrote:

[#46260] Re: Unicode in Ruby now? — Clifford Heath <cjh_nospam@...> 2002/08/04

Curt Sampson wrote:

[#46266] Re: Unicode in Ruby now? — Curt Sampson <cjs@...> 2002/08/05

On Mon, 5 Aug 2002, Clifford Heath wrote:

[#46281] Re: Unicode in Ruby now? — Clifford Heath <cjh_nospam@...> 2002/08/05

Curt Sampson wrote:

[#45922] Re: Unicode in Ruby now? — Clifford Heath <cjh_nospam@...> 2002/08/01

Matz,

[#45931] Re: Unicode in Ruby now? — Curt Sampson <cjs@...> 2002/08/01

On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Clifford Heath wrote:

[#45859] matrix challange — Daniel Bretoi <lists@...>

15 messages 2002/07/31

[#45876] Emacs is dead, long live whatever comes after that as long as it is made with Ruby — Jani Alanko <jani.alanko@...>

Subject is not exactly right but I was too lazy to invent something that

13 messages 2002/07/31

Re: GUI's and the Rouge, Part III (yes, finally) 1/2

From: Clifford Heath <cjh_nospam@...>
Date: 2002-07-24 01:07:12 UTC
List: ruby-talk #45245
Tom Sawyer wrote:
> it was stated that a main goal of Rouge was to create a cross-compatible
> gui api that "boiled down" into the native gui of each platform.

As you've found, it's a *major* piece of work. I should know - I designed
and my company built such a product (called OpenUI) in the 1st half of
the 90's. There are better toolkits out there for this now, of which I like
Qt and fxruby best. You definitely shouldn't build your own, it's a problem
that needs multiple hundreds of thousands of lines of code to solve.

> i think too that this is a fantastic idea.
> so that's the final piece and we end up with basically this:

You've described the architecture of OpenUI, but perhaps haven't understood
the factor that makes it really work: rich asynchronous message passing.

I'm still of the firm opinion that this is the single integrating feature
which is needed to revolutionise GUI programming. Message delivery needs
to be based on hierarchies of objects, including propagation of undelivered
(or partly-delivered) messages up the hierarchy, publish-subscribe propagation
down the hierarchy, and proxy-address mapping for remote objects. Add that to
the basic queueing facilities needed for asynchronous delivery, with a
priority-nesting feature to provide some minimal sequencing control for
consequential messaging (needed for remote validation for example), and you
have an exceptionally powerful and flexible application framework supporting
separation of presentation and semantic content to the fullest extent possible.

The native GUI widgets should be assembled into hierarchies not by API calls,
but by a hierarchical description language - XML probably. In fact I started
making "qtml" - a Qt markup language, which allows simple assembly of arbitrary
widget hierarchies (UIs), and embedded scripting to animate and control the UI.
I'd love to use Ruby with this, it's the most suitable language for the purpose.

Sorry that much of the above discussion is kind-of schematic, incomplete and
probably confusing, I can discuss the ideas further if they ring anyone's
bells. Suffice it to say that people who've used these ideas in the form of
our (now obsolescent) product have found them to be truly revolutionary.

--
Clifford Heath

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