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You should be able to do this without JavaScript by using streaming.

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Re: Can I use Sinatra to render dynamic pages?

From: Panagiotis Atmatzidis <atma@...>
Date: 2013-06-15 21:24:59 UTC
List: ruby-talk #408249
On 15 Ιουν 2013, at 18:46 , Ruby Student <ruby.student@gmail.com> wrote:

> Nick and everyone else,
> 
> Please accept my apologies if I hurt or insulted anyone feeling with my blatant and clearly lack of knowledge and understanding. Please let me elaborate:
> 
> I am an AIX system administrator not a programmer, although back on the '70s I was heavily into assembler programming. I am trying to learn Ruby as it appears to me kind of much simpler than other languages such as C, Java, etc. I like simple and easy tools that can help me do my job more efficient.
> 
> My statement about "overkill" WAS NOT INTENDED TO BE FOR Sinatra. If you go back you'll find that I was talking about TomCat. I meant to say that perhaps TomCat was overkill for the simple thing that I wanted to do. I started playing with Sinatra and I to find it simple and very easy to learn and use.
> 
> As I stated on my original post, I want to create a simple web-based application, which will be invoked from a browser.
> I will read a file every second. The file contains certain information that changes continuously, 24X7 from January 1 to December 31. This information collection NEVER stops.
> 
> I have NEVER done anything web related, NEVER. Perhaps, due to my lack of knowledge, I am not posting my question correctly.
> 
> I want:
> 
> The user to fire up a browser pointing to my server URL
> My application will accept the request and send data to the user's browser
> My application will, every second, read the content of the file and get the new counters
> Display the new information, counter, on the browser WITHOUT THE USER HAVING TO REFRESH IT. In other words, I want to refresh the browser's content without user having to do anything. The new information must be continuously be updated and displayed.
> As I said earlier, I did this using Ruby/Shoes, but this needs to be used by a number of people and I would have to install Ruby and Shoes every desktop that needs to use this Dashboard.
> 
> Someone suggested Javascript but I don't want to start learning yet another programming tool when I think that Ruby and some web tool such as Sinatra might be able to help me with this. Rails was also suggested. I am probably still not making any sense!
> 
> I do want to thank you and others for all the answers already posted and perhaps the ones to come.
> 
> Ruby Student
> 
> 
> On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 9:01 PM, Nicholas Van Weerdenburg <vanweerd@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sinatra is as lightweight and simple a framework you can choose for doing a web app.  You can create a complete app in a single file with template included!
> 
> There is no such thing as Sinatra being overkill for a project. IMHO, the only simpler alternative is using paper, scissors and glue :)
> 
> I love Sinatra and highly recommend it for anyone learning web development. Give it a shot- it's a fantastic piece work.
> 
> Did you know that there are dozens, if not more, clones of Sinatra across different languages?
> 
> And the monster framework for the Node.js, Express, is Sinatra inspired?
> 
> And as Hassan mentioned, Tomcat is a "servlet" container for Java servlets. Not really related, and far, far more complicated than using Ruby and Sinatra. I almost had post-traumatic stress syndrome flashbacks seeing that word- I haven't use Tomcat in over eight years.
> 
> Good luck!
> 
> Cheers,
> Nick
> 
> 
> On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 9:14 AM, Ruby Student <ruby.student@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, I got some good suggestions from everyone here. I thank you all for that!
> Now I just need to analyze each suggestion and pick he easiest for me. I am not by any mean a mature ruby programmer and I like to do things as easy and simple as possible. If Sinatra is overkill for what I want, perhaps I should look into something different. I was wondering if TomCat might be what I need. Anyway, the entire affair is kind of confusing to me as this is the first time I deal with this type of thing.
> 
> As I said, I am very grateful to all of you for taking the time to answer my post.
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 11:55 PM, Nicholas Van Weerdenburg <vanweerd@gmail.com> wrote:
> You should be able to do this without JavaScript by using streaming.
> 
> Sinatra has a streaming API as of 1.3. Rails 4.0 is adding a "live" mode for similar.
> 
> However you need to use a supporting web server and hook into the event loop (which Rack exposes).
> 
> https://gist.github.com/rkh/1476463 offers an example, but note that the heroku app is broken (look at the comments for a link to a patched version).
> 
> Nick
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 5:41 PM, Ruby Student <ruby.student@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hell Team,
> 
> I wrote a very simple dashboard using shoes which basically displays statistics, every second, of certain type of messages arriving at a queue under MQ. But in order for anyone to use it they have to install Ruby, shoes and its requirements. So I started experimenting with Sinatra to re-write my simple application so anyone could point their browser and get the dashboard displayed. I went over the first basic Sinatra tutorial but everything appears to be static. Is there any example out there that shows Sinatra dynamically refreshing the page continuously with new information, in my case message queues information?
> 
> In other words, once the user successfully get the page displayed, from that point on I want the content to be refreshed dynamically with the new information without user intervention.
> 
> Thank you
> 
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> Ruby Student
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Ruby Student
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Ruby Student


Sinatra is *really* simple and you can fire an application in no time. I wrote a simple display website for a digital signage and the first vesion was up and running in a about 2 hours and I didn't knew anything about web development either.

JavaScript is a pain in the ass. HTML is easy to learn but hard to master and I hate CSS with a passion but by trial-and-error you can come with a decent theme. I tried to use Coffeescript but I ended up just copying code snippets and modifying them with only a slight idea of what's going on. Not a good thing. Just learn JavaScript, it's used for about anything and jokes apart: Sinatra + (HTML+CSS3+JavaScript) can even get you a job.

I'm scratching rail's surface right now, till at least, everything seems really easy because of my little tiny sinatra bg: routers, helpers (although never used them I know what they are and how they should be used), viewers, logs and other predefined paths (sinatra is not MVC but could be if you want to), and so own. With sinatra I used Sequel and datamapper as ORM. I consider sequel a bit more up2date although DM received an update about 15 days ago (After 2 years).

I wrote all just to say that learning Sinatra is easy so don't be afraid. Learning JavaScript (apparently) is hard but it's worthy.

Best regards


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