From: Brandon Weaver <keystonelemur@...>
Date: 2013-05-30T23:07:11+09:00
Subject: Re: Ruby Programming Practice

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In order to write something that writes programming, you kinda need to
understand programming itself. It's the same way with Lisp Macros, you're
out of your mind to try them before you have a firm grasp in the language.

Yes, it's an awesome feature, but notoriously complicated for the
uninitiated.
On May 30, 2013 4:08 AM, <sto.mar@web.de> wrote:

> Am 29.05.2013 23:57, schrieb Stu:
>
>> On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 3:35 PM,  <sto.mar@web.de> wrote:
>>
>>> Am 29.05.2013 20:47, schrieb Stu:
>>>
>>>  On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 1:08 PM, Brandon Weaver <
>>>> keystonelemur@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>> I don't see why you would suggest anything "over ubuntu".
>>>
>>> Learning to program (or script) with Ruby has nothing to do
>>> with the used operating system or (even less) Linux distro.
>>>
>>
>
> [...]
>
>> By suggesting anything which may provide less "training wheels" per
>> say I am merely recommending the OP to explore other options when they
>> are comfortable with these new tools and operating systems.
>>
>
> [...]
>
>> You may think that operating system level programming has nothing to
>> do with ruby but I promise you there are many projects which focus on
>> using ruby for such things (portupgrade/homebrew/rake). Ruby isn't
>> just for web programming and is perfectly suitable for shell
>> programming as well.
>>
>
> I'm very well aware of that. I use Ruby extensively for shell
> programming under Ubuntu (and I do not use "training wheels").
> I am forced to do my teaching on Windows, though, and yet
> algorithmically it can (of course) get as complicated as you wish.
>
> I don't see much value in recommending a change of OS (apart
> from not using Windows...), especially to a beginner.
>
> As a side note: I wouldn't recommend starting with metaprogramming
> before there is a solid basis of Ruby and OO programming fundamentals.
> I have seen enquiries about metaprogramming on this list by people
> who couldn't even define the most simplest class, which I find
> rather alarming...
>
>
> --
> <https://github.com/stomar/>
>
>

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<p dir=3D"ltr">In order to write something that writes programming, you kin=
da need to understand programming itself. It&#39;s the same way with Lisp M=
acros, you&#39;re out of your mind to try them before you have a firm grasp=
 in the language. </p>

<p dir=3D"ltr">Yes, it&#39;s an awesome feature, but notoriously complicate=
d for the uninitiated. </p>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On May 30, 2013 4:08 AM,  &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
sto.mar@web.de">sto.mar@web.de</a>&gt; wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><bloc=
kquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #cc=
c solid;padding-left:1ex">
Am 29.05.2013 23:57, schrieb Stu:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 3:35 PM, =A0&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sto.mar@web.de" t=
arget=3D"_blank">sto.mar@web.de</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Am 29.05.2013 20:47, schrieb Stu:<br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 1:08 PM, Brandon Weaver &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:keyst=
onelemur@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">keystonelemur@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
wrote:<br>
</blockquote>
I don&#39;t see why you would suggest anything &quot;over ubuntu&quot;.<br>
<br>
Learning to program (or script) with Ruby has nothing to do<br>
with the used operating system or (even less) Linux distro.<br>
</blockquote></blockquote>
<br>
<br>
[...]<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
By suggesting anything which may provide less &quot;training wheels&quot; p=
er<br>
say I am merely recommending the OP to explore other options when they<br>
are comfortable with these new tools and operating systems.<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
[...]<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
You may think that operating system level programming has nothing to<br>
do with ruby but I promise you there are many projects which focus on<br>
using ruby for such things (portupgrade/homebrew/rake). Ruby isn&#39;t<br>
just for web programming and is perfectly suitable for shell<br>
programming as well.<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
I&#39;m very well aware of that. I use Ruby extensively for shell<br>
programming under Ubuntu (and I do not use &quot;training wheels&quot;).<br=
>
I am forced to do my teaching on Windows, though, and yet<br>
algorithmically it can (of course) get as complicated as you wish.<br>
<br>
I don&#39;t see much value in recommending a change of OS (apart<br>
from not using Windows...), especially to a beginner.<br>
<br>
As a side note: I wouldn&#39;t recommend starting with metaprogramming<br>
before there is a solid basis of Ruby and OO programming fundamentals.<br>
I have seen enquiries about metaprogramming on this list by people<br>
who couldn&#39;t even define the most simplest class, which I find<br>
rather alarming...<br>
<br>
<br>
-- <br>
&lt;<a href=3D"https://github.com/stomar/" target=3D"_blank">https://github=
.com/stomar/</a>&gt;<br>
<br>
</blockquote></div>

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