[#39432] require and case — Martin Stannard <martin@...>

17 messages 2002/05/02

[#39463] RE: require and case — "Berger, Daniel" <djberge@...>

> --- Erik Bagfors <erik@bagfors.nu> wrote:

32 messages 2002/05/02
[#39699] Re: require and case — "Baptiste Lepilleur" <gaiacrtn@...> 2002/05/06

I confirm this behavior. I stumbled on something similar on ruby 1.6.7

[#39700] Re: require and case — ts <decoux@...> 2002/05/06

>>>>> "B" == Baptiste Lepilleur <gaiacrtn@free.fr> writes:

[#39718] Re: require and case — Dave Thomas <Dave@...> 2002/05/06

ts <decoux@moulon.inra.fr> writes:

[#39735] Re: require and case — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2002/05/06

Hi,

[#39534] dynamically assigning instance variables — "Berger, Daniel" <djberge@...>

Hi all,

25 messages 2002/05/03
[#39547] Re: dynamically assigning instance variables — harryo@... (Harry Ohlsen) 2002/05/04

wconrad@yagni.com wrote in message news:<20020503220050.GA443@pluto>...

[#39565] Re: dynamically assigning instance variables — Jean-Hugues ROBERT <jean_hugues_robert@...> 2002/05/04

Hello,

[#39568] Class methods defined in a module, how-to ? — Jean-Hugues ROBERT <jean_hugues_robert@...> 2002/05/04

[#39585] Ruby vs. Java vs. Native trivia — ser@... (Sean Russell)

Hi,

18 messages 2002/05/04

[#39657] newbie Q: how to strip blank lines from file? — Stewart Midwinter <stewart@..._midwinter.ca>

Well, I've spent a few days reading about Ruby, and want to try my first

11 messages 2002/05/06

[#39723] WWW.RUBYCONF.ORG — Christine Hall <return@...>

15 messages 2002/05/06

[#39796] Result of I need your experience - classification and comparison of languages — yvan.radenac@... (Yvan Radenac)

Hi,

21 messages 2002/05/07

[#39809] 'Ultimate' FreeRIDE ? — "Euan Mee" <xlucid@...>

[Note: This is a post to the FreeRIDE developers mailing list, which I have

16 messages 2002/05/07
[#39871] Re: 'Ultimate' FreeRIDE ? — Lothar Scholz <llothar@...> 2002/05/08

On Tue, 07 May 2002 20:52:06 GMT, "Euan Mee"

[#39821] non-alphabetic character in symbol — kwatch@... (kwatch)

Hi,

14 messages 2002/05/08

[#39887] Thread#join doesn't accept a timeout? — Dossy <dossy@...>

Hi,

27 messages 2002/05/09
[#39961] RE: Thread#join doesn't accept a timeout? — "Nathaniel Talbott" <nathaniel@...> 2002/05/09

Dossy [mailto:dossy@panoptic.com] wrote:

[#39968] Re: Thread#join doesn't accept a timeout? — Dossy <dossy@...> 2002/05/09

On 2002.05.10, Nathaniel Talbott <nathaniel@talbott.ws> wrote:

[#39898] cgi params api — patrick-may@... (Patrick May)

One thing that I don't like is the way cgi forces you to treat every

93 messages 2002/05/09
[#40032] Re: cgi params api — patrick-may@... (Patrick May) 2002/05/10

patrick-may@monmouth.com (Patrick May) wrote in message news:<3b3ad3b4.0205091447.5b00ce98@posting.google.com>...

[#40037] Re: cgi params api — Jean-Hugues ROBERT <jean_hugues_robert@...> 2002/05/10

At 02:23 11/05/2002 +0900, you wrote:

[#40049] Re: cgi params api — Wakou Aoyama <wakou@...> 2002/05/10

On Sat, May 11, 2002 at 03:27:13AM +0900,

[#40052] Re: cgi params api — Jean-Hugues ROBERT <jean_hugues_robert@...> 2002/05/10

At 05:56 11/05/2002 +0900, you wrote:

[#40137] Re: cgi params api — patrick-may@... (Patrick May) 2002/05/12

Wakou Aoyama <wakou@fsinet.or.jp> wrote in message news:<20020511121152.GA29832%wakou@fsinet.or.jp>...

[#40139] Re: cgi params api — Sean Chittenden <sean@...> 2002/05/12

> > If you access reqs['key'], then you'll always get a non-array object.

[#40144] Re: cgi params api — Dossy <dossy@...> 2002/05/12

On 2002.05.12, Sean Chittenden <sean@chittenden.org> wrote:

[#40148] Re: cgi params api — David Alan Black <dblack@...> 2002/05/12

Hello --

[#40159] Re: cgi params api — Dossy <dossy@...> 2002/05/12

On 2002.05.12, David Alan Black <dblack@candle.superlink.net> wrote:

[#40162] Re: cgi params api — Wakou Aoyama <wakou@...> 2002/05/12

On Mon, May 13, 2002 at 01:37:40AM +0900,

[#40191] Re: cgi params api — Dossy <dossy@...> 2002/05/13

On 2002.05.13, Wakou Aoyama <wakou@fsinet.or.jp> wrote:

[#40194] Re: cgi params api — David Alan Black <dblack@...> 2002/05/13

Hello --

[#40197] Re: cgi params api — Dossy <dossy@...> 2002/05/13

On 2002.05.13, David Alan Black <dblack@candle.superlink.net> wrote:

[#40198] Re: cgi params api — David Alan Black <dblack@...> 2002/05/13

Hi --

[#40203] Re: cgi params api — Dossy <dossy@...> 2002/05/13

On 2002.05.13, David Alan Black <dblack@candle.superlink.net> wrote:

[#40209] Re: cgi params api — Dave Thomas <Dave@...> 2002/05/13

Dossy <dossy@panoptic.com> writes:

[#40222] Re: cgi params api — Dossy <dossy@...> 2002/05/13

On 2002.05.13, Dave Thomas <Dave@PragmaticProgrammer.com> wrote:

[#40228] Re: cgi params api — Wakou Aoyama <wakou@...> 2002/05/13

On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 12:59:37AM +0900,

[#40229] Re: cgi params api — Dossy <dossy@...> 2002/05/13

On 2002.05.14, Wakou Aoyama <wakou@fsinet.or.jp> wrote:

[#40250] Re: cgi params api — Wakou Aoyama <wakou@...> 2002/05/13

Hi,

[#40291] Re: cgi params api — Dossy <dossy@...> 2002/05/14

On 2002.05.14, Wakou Aoyama <wakou@fsinet.or.jp> wrote:

[#40322] Re: cgi params api — Wakou Aoyama <wakou@...> 2002/05/14

Hi,

[#40377] Re: cgi params api — patrick-may@... (Patrick May) 2002/05/15

Dossy <dossy@panoptic.com> wrote in message news:<20020514172939.GL14145@panoptic.com>...

[#40387] Re: cgi params api — Dossy <dossy@...> 2002/05/15

On 2002.05.15, Patrick May <patrick-may@monmouth.com> wrote:

[#40389] Re: cgi params api — David Alan Black <dblack@...> 2002/05/15

Hello --

[#40390] Re: cgi params api — Dossy <dossy@...> 2002/05/15

On 2002.05.15, David Alan Black <dblack@candle.superlink.net> wrote:

[#40394] Re: cgi params api — David Alan Black <dblack@...> 2002/05/15

Hello --

[#40004] Ruby Conference 2002: Call for Presenters — David Alan Black <dblack@...>

Ruby Conference 2002: Call for Presenters

25 messages 2002/05/10
[#40009] Re: Ruby Conference 2002: Call for Presenters — Jim Menard <jimm@...> 2002/05/10

David Alan Black <dblack@candle.superlink.net> writes:

[#40043] Premature end of script headers — ccos <ccos@...> 2002/05/10

hello,

[#40015] BUG! Platform independent? sockets and select — "Kontra, Gergely" <kgergely@...>

Hi!

12 messages 2002/05/10

[#40099] OT:is software eng an art? — ptkwt@...1.aracnet.com (Phil Tomson)

I signed up for a free seminar that's being held at a grad school nearby

34 messages 2002/05/11

[#40105] Re: OT:is software eng an art? — "Radu M. Obad磚 <whizkid@...>

Mind me... but I feel like stating my oppinions regarding this issue. I

30 messages 2002/05/11

[#40180] What is Ruby for? — "Steve Merrick" <Steve.Merrick@...>

Or even 'Why <insert scripting language of your choice>'? I know it's me

35 messages 2002/05/13

[#40346] ANN: REXML 2.3.3 — Sean Russell <ser@...>

Getting tired of the upgrades yet?

50 messages 2002/05/14
[#40407] Re: ANN: REXML 2.3.3 — Sean Russell <ser@...> 2002/05/15

<posted & mailed>

[#40412] RE: ANN: REXML 2.3.3 — "Rich Kilmer" <rich@...> 2002/05/15

I'll weigh in here...

[#40418] RE: ANN: REXML 2.3.3 — David Alan Black <dblack@...> 2002/05/15

Hi --

[#40426] Re: ANN: REXML 2.3.3 — Bob Hutchison <hutch@...> 2002/05/15

On 5/15/02 12:53 PM, "David Alan Black" <dblack@candle.superlink.net> wrote:

[#40440] Re: ANN: REXML 2.3.3 — Tobias Reif <tobiasreif@...> 2002/05/15

Bob Hutchison schrieb:

[#40397] ANN: Programmierung in Ruby — juergen.katins@... (Juergen Katins)

The translation of *Programming Ruby* by Dave Thomas and Andy Hunt is

31 messages 2002/05/15

[#40525] Metaclasses... — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...>

Hello, all...

15 messages 2002/05/16

[#40559] what's the calling method name? — Yohanes Santoso <ruby-talk@...>

Hello all,

27 messages 2002/05/17
[#40566] Re: what's the calling method name? — John Carter <john.carter@...> 2002/05/17

On Fri, 17 May 2002, Yohanes Santoso wrote:

[#40577] Re: what's the calling method name? — Yohanes Santoso <ruby-talk@...> 2002/05/17

John Carter <john.carter@tait.co.nz> writes:

[#40647] Re: what's the calling method name? — Yohanes Santoso <ruby-talk@...> 2002/05/18

Yohanes Santoso <ruby-talk@jenny-gnome.dyndns.org> writes:

[#40735] Re: what's the calling method name? — wconrad@... 2002/05/19

On Sat, May 18, 2002 at 06:16:29PM +0900, Yohanes Santoso wrote:

[#40782] Re: what's the calling method name? — nobu.nokada@... 2002/05/20

Hi,

[#40571] Shifting array element & regex on array element — Yohanes Santoso <freeride-devel@...>

In implementing a buffer gap mechanism, I was wondering if there is

10 messages 2002/05/17

[#40635] Ruby regex question — Dossy <dossy@...>

Maybe this is Perl envy, maybe I'm just doing something wrong.

28 messages 2002/05/18
[#40664] Re: Ruby regex question — Mike Stok <mike@...> 2002/05/18

In article <20020518152610.GJ9684@panoptic.com>, Dossy wrote:

[#40673] Re: Ruby regex question — Dossy <dossy@...> 2002/05/18

On 2002.05.19, Mike Stok <mike@stok.co.uk> wrote:

[#40687] RubyEclipse released — "Adam Williams" <awilliams@...>

First release of the highly anticipated (maybe just by me) Ruby IDE. Get it

32 messages 2002/05/19
[#40720] Re: [ANN] RubyEclipse released — Han Holl <han@...> 2002/05/19

Adam Williams wrote:

[#40741] RE: [ANN] RubyEclipse released — "Adam Williams" <awilliams@...> 2002/05/19

Okay. So I probably need to work on some documentation.

[#40723] are there unit tests for cgi.rb? — patrick-may@... (Patrick May)

if so, where could I find them?

27 messages 2002/05/19
[#40806] Re: are there unit tests for cgi.rb? — Tobias Reif <tobiasreif@...> 2002/05/20

Wakou Aoyama wrote:

[#40812] Re: are there unit tests for cgi.rb? — Wakou Aoyama <wakou@...> 2002/05/20

On Tue, May 21, 2002 at 12:27:46AM +0900,

[#40902] method_missing is cool (was: are there unit tests for cgi.rb?) — Ian Macdonald <ian@...> 2002/05/21

On Tue 21 May 2002 at 01:00:22 +0900, Wakou Aoyama wrote:

[#40778] automatic documentation: using tests in addition to / instead of comments — Tobias Reif <tobiasreif@...>

Hi,

40 messages 2002/05/20
[#40788] Re: [RDoc etc] automatic documentation: using tests in addition to / instead of comments — Dave Thomas <Dave@...> 2002/05/20

Tobias Reif <tobiasreif@pinkjuice.com> writes:

[#40826] DBI access to mysql auto_increment record numbers? — Brad Cox <bcox@...> 2002/05/20

How do you get the auto_increment record number for mysql in

[#40887] Re: [RDoc etc] automatic documentation: using tests in addition to / instead of comments — Sean Russell <ser@...> 2002/05/21

Man, how did I miss this thread?

[#40889] Re: [RDoc etc] automatic documentation: using tests in addition to / instead of comments — Paul Brannan <pbrannan@...> 2002/05/21

On Wed, May 22, 2002 at 12:14:05AM +0900, Sean Russell wrote:

[#40875] Memory consumption. — Erik Terpstra <erik@...>

Is there some method that tells me how much memory a certain object

14 messages 2002/05/21

[#40978] Re: Stymied by Ruby's garbage collector — Art Taylor <ataylor@...>

Is there a particular kind or kinds of object being created in huge numbers?

25 messages 2002/05/22
[#40986] Re: Stymied by Ruby's garbage collector — Bob Hutchison <hutch@...> 2002/05/22

On 5/22/02 4:07 PM, "Art Taylor" <ataylor@fortpoint.com> wrote:

[#41085] OS independent scripts, system calls on Windows and Linux — Tobias Reif <tobiasreif@...>

Hi,

19 messages 2002/05/24

[#41102] RE: OS independent scripts, system calls on Windows and Linux — "Morris, Chris" <chris.morris@...>

> All these incompatibility issues are why I want to talk about an RCR.

29 messages 2002/05/24
[#41105] Re: OS independent scripts, system calls on Windows and Linux — Tobias Reif <tobiasreif@...> 2002/05/24

Morris, Chris wrote:

[#41266] Re: OS independent scripts, system calls on Windows and Linux — Dennis Newbold <dennisn@...> 2002/05/28

On Fri, 24 May 2002, Tobias Reif wrote:

[#41352] Infinity (?!) — ptkwt@...1.aracnet.com (Phil Tomson)

I didn't know there was an Infinity value in Ruby, just found it today:

34 messages 2002/05/30

[#41434] Ruby jobs — Tobias Reif <tobiasreif@...>

Hi,

23 messages 2002/05/31
[#41475] RE: Ruby jobs — <james@...> 2002/05/31

>

[#41510] Finding all applications — Chris Gehlker <gehlker@...>

In trying to add drag and drop scripting to RubyStudio and the first task is

40 messages 2002/05/31
[#41561] Re: Finding all applications — Sean Russell <ser@...> 2002/06/01

Jim Menard wrote:

[#41564] Re: Finding all applications — nobu.nokada@... 2002/06/01

Hi,

[#41575] Re: Finding all applications — Chris Gehlker <gehlker@...> 2002/06/02

On 6/1/02 11:33 AM, "nobu.nokada@softhome.net" <nobu.nokada@softhome.net>

[#41576] RE: Finding all applications — "Mike Campbell" <michael_s_campbell@...> 2002/06/02

>> ruby -r find -e 'Find.find("/"){|f| puts f if f[/\.app$/]}'

[#41578] Re: Finding all applications — Chris Gehlker <gehlker@...> 2002/06/02

On 6/1/02 5:20 PM, "Mike Campbell" <michael_s_campbell@yahoo.com> wrote:

[#41579] Re: Finding all applications — Dossy <dossy@...> 2002/06/02

On 2002.06.02, Chris Gehlker <gehlker@fastq.com> wrote:

[#41586] Re: Finding all applications — Chris Gehlker <gehlker@...> 2002/06/02

On 6/1/02 7:44 PM, "Dossy" <dossy@panoptic.com> wrote:

OT:is software eng an art?

From: ptkwt@...1.aracnet.com (Phil Tomson)
Date: 2002-05-11 18:44:54 UTC
List: ruby-talk #40099
I signed up for a free seminar that's being held at a grad school nearby 
where I live.  The title is: "Read My Lips--No New Models!" (or perhaps it 
might be more accurately titled "We don't need no stink'in new software 
development methodologies!") You can read the abstract here:
http://cpd.ogi.edu/class.asp?n=02-SPIN-0513

I suspect it's a reaction against XP, so I figure I'll go and ask some 
pesky questions ;-)

Anyway, one of the points made in the abstract at the website above says:
"# The misguided notion that software is art and hence not amenable to 
discipline"

Now I've seen this assertion many times: 
"Software Engineering is a discipline not an art!" and other varients.

However, I would contend that Software Engineering _is_ an art or a craft 
and that by admitting it we actually dignify the practice instead of 
denigrating it (the folks that say that it's not an art seems to be afraid 
that if the term 'art' is applied to software that it will somehow become 
cheapened).

Why do I say that software creation is an art (or craft)?
1) It's a creative, human endeavor.
2) Each of us brings his/her own personal style to the creation of a piece 
of software.  I attended a ceramics show last weekend where there were 
several exhibitors and demonstrations.  I could definately tell that 
certain of the artists had distinctive styles and I got to the point where 
I could tell who made a particular pot.  It's the same in software - when 
you're working with a team of coders after a while you can tell without 
looking at the creation comments at the top of the file who created the 
code.  I get the idea that the "software is not an art" crowd want us to 
all have the exact same 'style' (theirs, perhaps).

To say that calling something an 'art' means it lacks discipline also 
seems like a mistake.  I recently watched a glass-blower create a glass 
bowl - it took lots of education and discipline, but I would still say 
that it was an artistic creation.  

Now bringing it to Ruby....  It seems to me that Ruby has a certain style 
which is the imprint or signiture that Matz put on the language.  Python 
and Perl have very different styles from each other and from Ruby and 
each represent their creators in distinctive ways.

So, is software creation an art or a discipline (or a science)?  Opinions 
welcome.

Phil

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