From: Wayne Brissette <wbrisett@...>
Date: 2012-05-21T18:10:30+09:00
Subject: Re: ruby in a box


On May 21, 2012, at 3:59 AM, Martin DeMello wrote:

> Yes, I considered hackety hack, but while I think it is an excellent
> resource for learning to program, my experiences with shoes lead me to
> believe it is not a good ruby ide.

You're right, and after re-reading your initial message, I realized you really were asking for more of an IDE. (Maybe look at RubyMine?  While commercial, it brings a lot to the table for somebody starting out, and for the seasoned programmer who wants to peek at things under the hood.)

>  Shoes changes ruby's
> scoping rules fairly drastically (the change is easy to state, but is
> felt everywhere), and that means that at some point you run into
> fiddly behaviour when you want to mix shoes code with other ruby code.

It certainly adds things, there is no getting around that, you suddenly have stacks which only appear in Shoes. But isn't that more or less the case anytime you start adding GUI elements into a language? But you're right again, for what you're asking Shoes/Hackety Hack isn't exactly what you are after. 

Wayne