[#37231] Announcing New Ruby Book Under Development! — <robert.calco@...>

Everybody:

31 messages 2002/04/02
[#37250] Re: [ANN] Announcing New Ruby Book Under Development! — "John" <jyeung@...> 2002/04/02

Have you checked out?

[#37279] About efficiency — Jean-Hugues ROBERT <jean_hugues_robert@...> 2002/04/02

[#37289] Re: About efficiency — nobu.nokada@... 2002/04/03

Hi,

[#37291] Re: About efficiency — Sean Middleditch <elanthis@...> 2002/04/03

On Tue, 2002-04-02 at 20:16, nobu.nokada@softhome.net wrote:

[#37232] seeking to understand... — Mark Probert <probertm@...>

38 messages 2002/04/02
[#37255] Re: Ruby, python, perl, ... — Chris <chris@...> 2002/04/02

In article <87d6xhaoif.fsf@jenny-gnome.dyndns.org>,

[#37281] Is eval a code/design smell? — "Chris Morris" <home@...>

I seem to have an inherent distaste for eval, but I don't know why. I've

51 messages 2002/04/03
[#37323] Re: Is eval a code/design smell? — Ron Jeffries <ronjeffries@...> 2002/04/03

On Wed, 03 Apr 2002 00:15:10 GMT, "Chris Morris" <home@clabs.org> wrote:

[#38034] Re: Is eval a code/design smell? — Ian Macdonald <ian@...> 2002/04/11

On Wed 03 Apr 2002 at 20:35:30 +0900, you wrote:

[#38045] Re: Is eval a code/design smell? — Sean Middleditch <elanthis@...> 2002/04/11

On Thu, 2002-04-11 at 01:40, Ian Macdonald wrote:

[#38061] Re: Is eval a code/design smell? — Ian Macdonald <ian@...> 2002/04/11

On Thu 11 Apr 2002 at 22:07:03 +0900, you wrote:

[#38063] Re: Is eval a code/design smell? — Sean Middleditch <elanthis@...> 2002/04/11

On Thu, 2002-04-11 at 12:06, Ian Macdonald wrote:

[#38064] Re: Is eval a code/design smell? — ts <decoux@...> 2002/04/11

>>>>> "S" == Sean Middleditch <elanthis@awesomeplay.com> writes:

[#38066] Re: Is eval a code/design smell? — Sean Middleditch <elanthis@...> 2002/04/11

On Thu, 2002-04-11 at 12:25, ts wrote:

[#38067] Re: Is eval a code/design smell? — ts <decoux@...> 2002/04/11

>>>>> "S" == Sean Middleditch <elanthis@awesomeplay.com> writes:

[#38068] Re: Is eval a code/design smell? — Sean Middleditch <elanthis@...> 2002/04/11

On Thu, 2002-04-11 at 12:42, ts wrote:

[#38069] Re: Is eval a code/design smell? — ts <decoux@...> 2002/04/11

>>>>> "S" == Sean Middleditch <elanthis@awesomeplay.com> writes:

[#38072] Re: Is eval a code/design smell? — Sean Middleditch <elanthis@...> 2002/04/11

On Thu, 2002-04-11 at 12:59, ts wrote:

[#37342] regular expression question — "Firestone, Mark - Technical Support" <mark.firestone@...>

Thanks for the help with the tread questions guys... I have one about (gasp)

16 messages 2002/04/03

[#37385] TextPad replacement for Linux? — Tobias Reif <tobiasreif@...>

TIA,

25 messages 2002/04/03

[#37397] Really new-new-newbie question :) — "Philip Mateescu" <philip@...>

Hi,

13 messages 2002/04/03

[#37454] ModRUBY question — George Moschovitis <gmosx@...>

Hi everybody,

18 messages 2002/04/04

[#37470] Test the result of an initialization ? — jayce@... (Jayce Piel)

17 messages 2002/04/04

[#37540] Fibonacci Number Generators — jzakiya@... (Jabari Zakiya)

Hi, I'm a newbie, coming to Ruby from a

14 messages 2002/04/04

[#37549] OO/Ruby Terminology — <james@...>

I added a wiki page for Ruby book development ...

22 messages 2002/04/05
[#37808] Re: OO/Ruby Terminology — <bbense+comp.lang.ruby.Apr.07.02@...> 2002/04/10

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[#37861] RE: OO/Ruby Terminology — <james@...> 2002/04/10

> From: bbense+comp.lang.ruby.Apr.07.02@telemark.stanford.edu

[#37944] Re: OO/Ruby Terminology — Chris <chris@...> 2002/04/10

In article <PGEPJIFLPEPOHCKEEEIKIEFADCAA.james@rubyxml.com>,

[#37963] RE: OO/Ruby Terminology — <james@...> 2002/04/10

> From: Chris [mailto:chris@cmb-enterprises.com]

[#37617] Addition to file.c (File.extension) — Mike Hall <mghall@...>

18 messages 2002/04/05
[#37736] Re: Addition to file.c (File.extension) — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2002/04/08

Hi,

[#37653] Switching from PHP to Ruby - Comments Please — Jim Freeze <jim@...>

Hi:

34 messages 2002/04/06

[#37746] ruby-dev summary 16501-16750 — TAKAHASHI Masayoshi <maki@...>

Hi all,

17 messages 2002/04/08

[#37833] Ruby as replacement for VB? — "Robb Shecter" <rs@...>

Hi,

19 messages 2002/04/10
[#37923] Re: Ruby as replacement for VB? — Michael Davis <mdavis@...> 2002/04/10

Robb Shecter wrote:

[#39153] Re: Ruby as replacement for VB? — "Euan Mee" <xlucid@...> 2002/04/26

On 11 Apr 2002, at 1:03, Michael Davis wrote:

[#37835] crypting ruby source — Ludo <coquelle@...>

Hi,

32 messages 2002/04/10
[#38280] Re: crypting ruby source — web2ed@... (Edward Wilson) 2002/04/14

Ludo <coquelle@enib.fr> wrote in message news:<3CB31298.13A44B26@enib.fr>...

[#38044] RFC - class_added callback — Michal Rokos <m.rokos@...>

Hello,

16 messages 2002/04/11

[#38046] GetoptLong question — djberg96@... (Daniel Berger)

Hi all,

16 messages 2002/04/11
[#38051] Re: GetoptLong question — "Pit Capitain" <pit@...> 2002/04/11

On 11 Apr 2002, at 22:16, Daniel Berger wrote:

[#38101] How to Make a Method Ineffective Efficiently? — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...>

Hi,

15 messages 2002/04/11
[#38135] Re: How to Make a Method Ineffective Efficiently? — Jean-Hugues ROBERT <jean_hugues_robert@...> 2002/04/12

Hello,

[#38159] Re: How to Make a Method Ineffective Efficiently? — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...> 2002/04/12

Thanks for all the responses. I just want to add the final

[#38126] Ruby/Google — Ian Macdonald <ian@...>

Hi,

19 messages 2002/04/12

[#38136] Idea for a new shorthand — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...>

OK, maybe this is an idea no one will like. Or

17 messages 2002/04/12

[#38167] Why Object#class Is Inconsistent in "==" and "case"? — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...>

Hi,

12 messages 2002/04/12

[#38199] not vs !, and vs && — <james@...>

I'm confused about the behavior of 'not'. The Pickaxe and Ruby21Days books

17 messages 2002/04/12

[#38238] Barnes & Noble putting on the squeeze — David Alan Black <dblack@...>

Hello --

11 messages 2002/04/13

[#38239] Freshmeat article about Ruby — Tobias DiPasquale <anany@...>

Hi all,

28 messages 2002/04/13
[#38447] Re: Freshmeat article about Ruby — Joel VanderWerf <vjoel@...> 2002/04/16

Tobias DiPasquale wrote:

[#38457] Re: Freshmeat article about Ruby — David Alan Black <dblack@...> 2002/04/16

Hi --

[#38560] Re: Freshmeat article about Ruby — Mark Hulme Jones <mjones@...> 2002/04/18

David Alan Black <dblack@candle.superlink.net> writes:

[#38561] Re: Freshmeat article about Ruby — Paul Brannan <pbrannan@...> 2002/04/18

On Fri, Apr 19, 2002 at 01:07:22AM +0900, Mark Hulme Jones wrote:

[#38562] Re: Freshmeat article about Ruby — Pat Eyler <pate@...> 2002/04/18

On Fri, 19 Apr 2002, Paul Brannan wrote:

[#38564] Re: Freshmeat article about Ruby — Jack Herrington <jack_d_herrington@...> 2002/04/18

On 4/18/02 9:30 AM, "Pat Eyler" <pate@eylerfamily.org> wrote:

[#38648] Ruby golf (FFT) Was: Freshmeat article about Ruby — Christian Szegedy <szegedy@...> 2002/04/19

Jack Herrington wrote:

[#38657] Re: Ruby golf (FFT) Was: Freshmeat article about Ruby — David Alan Black <dblack@...> 2002/04/19

Hello --

[#38331] mime type — Tobias Reif <tobiasreif@...>

Hi all,

15 messages 2002/04/15

[#38338] Compiling Ruby on Mac OS X — Alwyn <alwyn@...>

I've downloaded the latest Stable Snapshot and tried building it. It

18 messages 2002/04/15

[#38449] Help wanted for statvfs extension — djberg96@... (Daniel Berger)

Hi all,

35 messages 2002/04/16
[#38470] Re: Help wanted for statvfs extension — "James F.Hranicky" <jfh@...> 2002/04/17

On Wed, 17 Apr 2002 05:04:06 +0900

[#38525] resolv.rb Bug — "Roy J. Milican" <roy@...>

Greetings,

18 messages 2002/04/17

[#38627] Imlib2-Ruby 0.4.0 — Paul Duncan <pabs@...>

I just posted Imlib2-Ruby version 0.4.0, my Ruby bindings for Imlib2

12 messages 2002/04/19

[#38635] Threads creating threads creating threads... — Tobias Peters <tpeters@...>

I have already asked this question in [ruby-talk:19661], but I will ask it

12 messages 2002/04/19

[#38694] Ruby on .NET? — Ron Jeffries <ronjeffries@...>

I scanned the .net threads here and didn't see whether there is, or is not, an

37 messages 2002/04/19
[#38696] RE: Ruby on .NET? — "repeater" <repeater@...> 2002/04/19

recently found:

[#38839] building extensions-- new vs initialize — "Norman Makoto Su" <normsu@...>

Hi, I'm trying to build a ruby extension in C. While looking at the pickaxe CD

14 messages 2002/04/23

[#38910] Numberic#prev — Sean Chittenden <sean@...>

I do a lot of incrementing and decrementing of values: it'd be nice if

36 messages 2002/04/24

[#39047] A Wild Idea: What do you think? — Jim Freeze <jim@...>

Hi:

16 messages 2002/04/26

[#39122] RE: A Wild Idea: What do you think? — "Morris, Chris" <chris.morris@...>

> > OK, then let's have it in Texas. How about August? Oh, what do you

28 messages 2002/04/26
[#39123] Re: A Wild Idea: What do you think? — Jim Freeze <jim@...> 2002/04/26

On Sat, Apr 27, 2002 at 03:15:21AM +0900, Morris, Chris wrote:

[#39176] Re: A Wild Idea: What do you think? — Pat Eyler <pate@...> 2002/04/27

On Sat, 27 Apr 2002, Jim Freeze wrote:

[#39177] Re: A Wild Idea: What do you think? — David Alan Black <dblack@...> 2002/04/27

Hi --

[#39228] RubyConf.new(2002) - ideas for agenda — "Daniel Berger" <djberg96@...>

Ok - so I'm probably jumping the gun here, but hey, what the heck.

27 messages 2002/04/28

[#39394] ncurses, mingw32 — tony summerfelt <snowzone5@...>

i've been away from ruby for awhile, it was time to dust off the pickaxe book

13 messages 2002/04/30

CGI API Rant

From: Thomas Hurst <tom.hurst@...>
Date: 2002-04-28 20:32:01 UTC
List: ruby-talk #39261
Is it just me, and do I just need to use it more to see how great it is,
or is cgi.rb's API a bit... uninspiring?

Looking at the page on Ruby CGI in Programming Ruby, it seems one of the
main parts of cgi.rb is to do with HTML generation; transforming strings
into HTML entities, building fragments and entire pages of HTML (to out
of date standards), etc.

I don't know about you, but I'd rather see things like that as part of
their own module.  The CGI module should be there to provide an
interface to HTTP; the form valiables, the cookies, the uploaded files,
details on the request, and powerful control over the response.

I fail to see how HTML generation makes a good mixin for cgi, when
sessions (something you're rather less likely to want to use outside
CGI) have to be set up externally.

I'm also rather concerned over sentences like:

"Returns a string containing the given headers (in the MOD_RUBY
environment, the resulting header is sent immediately instead)."

Isn't one of the points of having an API like cgi to make things like
this transparent?  I don't want to end up writing one version of my code
for CGI, one for mod_ruby, and another for FastCGI, just because the
interfaces (which are otherwise taking about the exact same thing) don't
match up.

What I might like a CGI API to look like (more to invoke
comment/discussion than anything else):

Seperate objects for the request and the response.  I may want to
parse a request but have utter control over the response.  I might not
care about the request and take the fact that my script is running as
reason enough to generate a response.  A smaller object can be wrapped
more easliy to cache a response, try out a new API, build in response
gzipping, etc, without also having to delegate all the form accesses and
everything else related to the request.

The request object should make it clearer where data comes from:

request.params.get
request.params.post

Rather than just:

request.params

Obviously, if the programmer doesn't care, he can just use params[], but
almost always I want to be able to specifically specify where I expect
data to come from.

The response object needs to be flexible.  One point for sending data
that is difficult to access from inside is not very nice
(cgi.out(header/cookie) { data }), and can be rather opaque.

How about something like:

response.buffer = true
response << '<h1>Title</h1>'
response.header('Key', 'Value')
response.cookie('Foo', bar)

h = HtmlGenerator.new('xhtml-1.1')
response.body = h.html { h.body { response.body } }
response.send

I don't know about you, but I feel more comfortable with an interface
like this, there the response can be built up piece by piece and the
exact behavior can be set up progressively.

Oh, a cross-platform, popular, stable, flexible and easy to use
embedding system like PHP would be nice too, since I get pretty
obsessive when my scripts take >0.1s to execute; interpreter startup and
CGI setup can take 150% of that.

Anyone fancy shifting me to a parallel Universe where mod_ruby is on 60%
of web servers? :)

-- 
Thomas 'Freaky' Hurst  -  freaky@aagh.net  -  http://www.aagh.net/
-
In an organization, each person rises to the level of his own
incompetency
		-- The Peter Principle

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