From: trans Date: 2009-06-25T15:28:32+09:00 Subject: Re: Time for a ruby-announce list? On Jun 24, 4:12 pm, Gregory Brown wrote: > Man, I really wish there was a parallel universe where you and Trans > could be happy with how things are going, so that we don't need to go > through the same cycle of: > > Trans:  I want thing Foo > Rest of RubyTalk: This has come up many times before, and here's what happened > Robert: Hey come on, don't be hard on Trans. > > I'm really not trying to be rude here, the archive shows this pattern > clearly, and I think it's problematic. That's absolutely laughable. The real pattern here is: Trans earnestly asks if Foo would be a good idea, and then "the gang" devolves the conversation into a Trans bash. Heaven help anyone else who might agree, even a smidgen, with Trans, like poor Robert here. The whole situation has become intolerable. It's so bad that I have to tell people, when I submit a patch or otherwise help with someone else's code, not to mention me with regards to it for fear that they're project might get tainted by the slander of Ryan and friend's for having any association with me. I even went to RubyConf once, but had to turn around and leave b/c I have felt so eviscerated in this public forum --I could not stomach the thought that the same might happen in person. The fact is, your guy's behavior is ignorant, overtly rude, disingenuous, condescending, cliquish and childish. You are simply bullies. You do not earnestly engage in conversation. In this very thread there were points made that none of you ever addressed, and instead simply repeated the same broken argument --before devolving into your usual public circle jerk. It is untenable. And I have had enough. It is no longer important enough to me to put up with it. So I am exiting --stage left. It greatly saddens me to do so as some of my projects were, after such a great deal of time and work, reaching a level of solidity that I was looking forward to sharing them with a broader audience. But who really cares right? You'd rather I be in a parallel universe. I don't need to go on any further. Other's have said it all before. What Zed said [http://www.zedshaw.com/rants/rails_is_a_ghetto.html]. quaclass, T.