From: Marc Heiler <shevegen@...>
Date: 2009-04-12T01:30:28+09:00
Subject: Re: Goodbye Ruby - Hello Earth

> I am amazed that Eleanor "accused" the green movement to be afraid of
> change, it is them who embrace change.

I think it depends on your viewpoint.

For example, I do not eat animals for several reasons - one is that I 
dislike the treatment and handling of animals in factories. Also, I 
believe that animals rather prefer to stay alive than to be killed. 
Human is surrounded by life which wants to live (as do most other 
humans). I have no problem with "natural" human populations, but I 
disagree with the industrialized and commercialized aspect of producing 
meat (and food, for that matter, like subsidizing agro-food via 
petroleum... it feels strange that a lot of the food we eat was 
supported with fertilizers from oil ... )

However, I never lecture other people about my point of view therein.

So I strongly disagree with what Eleanor wrote about "the green 
movement". There are people with different points of view, and it does 
no good to unify these.

For example - I am very much for technology, social improvements, and 
very high ethical standards. It makes me furious to hear when a 
"democracy" like the USA refuses to put their war criminals on charge or 
attempt to establish torture as possible methods against humans.

The thread starter here is a confused guy. He says goodbye to 
technology, via the www, and this is so incredibly stupid that I have no 
words to describe for it. The best would be he would just shut up 
instead. If he wants to be forest dweller running around naked in 
rivers, then be it, but I see no point in attempting to push on an 
agenda which is higly controversial.

"Green" movement can at best be realized via solid arguments, good 
reasoning, a calm hand, and the knowledge that big parts of industry is 
afraid of change because it means they have no pay more or lose control. 
(They already control way too much anyway.)

This will slowly change though. The whole "green movement" is stronger 
than years ago, and the current trend for governments seems to be to 
infiltrate it.

"Need a new car? Buy one! We give you money if you destroy your old car" 
is one example for the latter happening in ~Germany and a few other 
countries, and being marketed as "good for the environment" if the old 
cars disappear (which is a lie if you look at the cost to produce 
current cars anyway)
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