From: Rupert Voelcker Date: 2008-11-08T05:18:34+09:00 Subject: Re: Rails book wanted for non Ruby programmer 2008/11/7 Aaron Gray : > Yeah, I really would prefer a) a book that is not tainted by PHP references > (should have said) b) is recomended by a reader. I started off with the Pragmatic Programmers "Agile Web Development with Rails". It goes through the building of a sample application and has a pretty good reference section in it too. (I've not tried any other rails starter books so can't offer any comparisons) Although I do agree with Michael in that learning ruby is a good idea first, if you have good programming experience and aren't wanting to build a complex site to start off with then you can get away with not worrying too much about learning ruby first. However, your code is not likely to be particularly great - it's likely to be more like php written in a ruby syntax rather than nicely honed ruby. If you're not too concerned about this and happy to learn to improve your ruby as you go along then I'd say dive in. But to understand what the framework is doing or to write decent code for your app then learning ruby itself is essential. Be prepared to have to do a major re-write of any site you've developed pre-learning-ruby once you've started to understand it better. I (and I imagine many others) started by playing with rails, then fell in love with ruby, then started on the path towards ruby enlightenment. Hope this helps Rupert