From: "David A. Black" <dblack@...>
Date: 2008-09-06T16:48:23+09:00
Subject: Re: Who's Charles angry at?

Hi --

On Sat, 6 Sep 2008, Joshua Ballanco wrote:

> Charles Oliver Nutter wrote:
>> I don't think there was any vitriol at all. I avoided that kind of rant
>> (useful as it may be, sometimes) to escape the visceral response that
>> always accompanies. What I really wanted was to be constructive while
>> slapping the stupids out of people who still dismiss JRuby because it
>> has a J in it. It's definitely not everyone, and maybe not a
>> majority...but in many cases it's people that garner a lot of respect
>> and people who should know better.
>
> True. Vitriol was probably too strong. What caught me most was the form
> your essay took as a direct retort. This is why I wondered if there was
> a specific target you had in mind (person or otherwise).
>
>> I'm also hoping this will start the discussion of what we on the JRuby
>> team can do better to support Rubyists. We're really trying to make
>> JRuby the best it can be for *you*.
>
> Well, as I mentioned, the silence over at ruby-design is mildly
> disheartening (though, to your credit you were one of the last ones to
> comment). As someone mentioned in the comments on your blog, I think the
> root source of the difference between how Jython and JRuby are regarded
> is that there is no risk of Jython ever supplanting Python. If Jython
> strays too far, it's simply not a Python implementation any longer. Ruby
> really has no concrete way of saying "this is Ruby" or "this is not
> Ruby".

Matz gets to say. There's never been any ambiguity about that.


David

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