[#309764] The Rubyist -- a semi-monthly magazine for Rubyists AVAILABLE NOW — "Jeremy McAnally" <jeremymcanally@...>

Hello all,

9 messages 2008/08/01

[#309802] Using array.select with grep — Milo Thurston <knirirr@...>

Using irb I set up the following arrays:

16 messages 2008/08/01

[#309821] About circular dependencies in RubyGems (the library). And about the order in $". — "Erik Veenstra" <erikveen@...>

Hi,

13 messages 2008/08/01

[#309824] Determining MAC address — "Glen Holcomb" <damnbigman@...>

What would be the best (clean, cross-platform) way of determining the MAC

12 messages 2008/08/01

[#309867] Capturing shell command output and success? — "Kyle Schmitt" <kyleaschmitt@...>

I know shell commands have beaten to death on this list, but searching

10 messages 2008/08/01

[#309878] Help finding this syntax error — Patrick Li <patrickli_2001@...>

<code>

14 messages 2008/08/01

[#309903] unit testing advice — Shadowfirebird <shadowfirebird@...>

Forgive me if this is a stupid question.

58 messages 2008/08/01
[#309905] Re: unit testing advice — "Gregory Brown" <gregory.t.brown@...> 2008/08/01

On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 5:31 PM, Shadowfirebird <shadowfirebird@gmail.com> wrote:

[#309907] Re: unit testing advice — Shadowfirebird <shadowfirebird@...> 2008/08/01

Many thanks. Clearly I'm going to have to go back to research mode on

[#309916] Re: unit testing advice — Phlip <phlip2005@...> 2008/08/02

Shadowfirebird wrote:

[#309947] Re: unit testing advice — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2008/08/02

Hi --

[#309948] Re: unit testing advice — Phlip <phlip2005@...> 2008/08/02

David A. Black wrote:

[#309949] Re: unit testing advice — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2008/08/02

Hi --

[#309960] Re: unit testing advice — Shadowfirebird <shadowfirebird@...> 2008/08/02

I certainly "get" the idea that it's better to write the tests first.

[#309966] Re: unit testing advice — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2008/08/02

Hi --

[#309979] Re: unit testing advice — James Britt <james.britt@...> 2008/08/02

David A. Black wrote:

[#309983] Re: unit testing advice — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2008/08/02

Hi --

[#310011] Re: unit testing advice — James Britt <james.britt@...> 2008/08/03

David A. Black wrote:

[#310018] Re: unit testing advice — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2008/08/03

Hi --

[#310050] RubyConf 2008 call for talk proposals — Richard Kilmer <rich@...>

Ruby Central is pleased to announce that we are accepting

11 messages 2008/08/04

[#310127] hash code reference - this only returns 'nil' please help me — Mmcolli00 Mom <mmc_collins@...>

Please tell me what I am doing wrong. i thought h[ErrFieldID] would work

12 messages 2008/08/04
[#310128] Re: hash code reference - this only returns 'nil' please help me — Sebastian Hungerecker <sepp2k@...> 2008/08/04

Mmcolli00 Mom wrote:

[#310131] Re: hash code reference - this only returns 'nil' please help me — Mmcolli00 Mom <mmc_collins@...> 2008/08/04

Sebastian Hungerecker wrote:

[#310154] Matrix class: How to set a single element ? — Marcio Braga <mbraga0001@...>

simple code:

11 messages 2008/08/05

[#310159] State of the Onion — "M. Edward (Ed) Borasky" <znmeb@...>

http://www.gcn.com/online/vol1_no1/46724-1.html

36 messages 2008/08/05
[#310179] Re: State of the Onion — "Michael T. Richter" <ttmrichter@...> 2008/08/05

On Tue, 2008-08-05 at 11:05 +0900, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote:

[#310190] Re: State of the Onion — "Martin DeMello" <martindemello@...> 2008/08/05

On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 8:48 PM, Michael T. Richter <ttmrichter@gmail.com> wrote:

[#310217] perl and the culture of libraries — "Martin DeMello" <martindemello@...>

http://blog.jrock.us/articles/You%20are%20missing%20the%20point%20of%20Perl.pod

60 messages 2008/08/05
[#310219] Re: perl and the culture of libraries — "Peter Fitzgibbons" <peter.fitzgibbons@...> 2008/08/05

I'm on board.

[#310223] Re: perl and the culture of libraries — "Martin DeMello" <martindemello@...> 2008/08/05

On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 6:04 AM, Peter Fitzgibbons

[#310228] Re: perl and the culture of libraries — "Peter Fitzgibbons" <peter.fitzgibbons@...> 2008/08/05

Sounds like some changes to rubygems and it's toolset.

[#310232] Re: perl and the culture of libraries — "Martin DeMello" <martindemello@...> 2008/08/05

On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 6:31 AM, Peter Fitzgibbons

[#310237] Re: perl and the culture of libraries — "Peter Fitzgibbons" <peter.fitzgibbons@...> 2008/08/05

Isn't it true, though, that rubygems are the defacto distribution model for

[#310240] Re: perl and the culture of libraries — "Martin DeMello" <martindemello@...> 2008/08/05

On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 7:05 AM, Peter Fitzgibbons

[#310249] Re: perl and the culture of libraries — Shadowfirebird <shadowfirebird@...> 2008/08/05

I don't wish to be critical (I really don't! That's not just a way of

[#310312] Re: perl and the culture of libraries — David Masover <ninja@...> 2008/08/06

On Tuesday 05 August 2008 07:56:22 Martin DeMello wrote:

[#310339] Re: perl and the culture of libraries — Shadowfirebird <shadowfirebird@...> 2008/08/06

I've seen some things posted in this thread (overnight for me) that I

[#310295] State of Ruby 1.8.6? — Jeff <cohen.jeff@...>

Can anyone provide an update to the state of Ruby 1.8.6?

19 messages 2008/08/05
[#310305] Re: State of Ruby 1.8.6? — Alex Fenton <alex@...> 2008/08/06

Jeff wrote:

[#310314] is there a way to AutoParse a string to another type - e.g. if a Date format then date, else if integer than Integer etc ????? — "Greg Hauptmann" <greg.hauptmann.ruby@...>

Hi,

7 messages 2008/08/06

[#310358] Threaded IO trouble — "Michal Suchanek" <hramrach@...>

Hello

13 messages 2008/08/06

[#310393] An introduction, in about 50 lines of Ruby. — Alexei Broner <lahgyk@...>

Hi, I'm Lex. I've been Rubying for a few months now and can't get

47 messages 2008/08/06
[#310582] Re: An introduction, in about 50 lines of Ruby. — Alexei Broner <lahgyk@...> 2008/08/08

You guys are no fun. I didn't even get "that's not really recursive,

[#310584] Re: An introduction, in about 50 lines of Ruby. — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2008/08/08

Hi,

[#310591] Re: An introduction, in about 50 lines of Ruby. — Trans <transfire@...> 2008/08/08

[#310639] Re: An introduction, in about 50 lines of Ruby. — James Britt <james.britt@...> 2008/08/08

Trans wrote:

[#310731] Re: An introduction, in about 50 lines of Ruby. — Trans <transfire@...> 2008/08/10

[#310740] Re: An introduction, in about 50 lines of Ruby. — James Britt <james.britt@...> 2008/08/10

Trans wrote:

[#310745] Re: An introduction, in about 50 lines of Ruby. — Trans <transfire@...> 2008/08/10

[#310413] Need help detecting overlapping ranges — Bryan Richardson <btrichardson@...>

Hello all,

18 messages 2008/08/06
[#310429] Re: Need help detecting overlapping ranges — "Martin DeMello" <martindemello@...> 2008/08/06

On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 11:48 AM, Bryan Richardson

[#310518] Most compact command for associate array 'totalling'? — John Pritchard-williams <monojohnny@...>

Ok - in 'awk' you can do this: (Where 'array' is empty initially)

10 messages 2008/08/07

[#310531] Ruby 1.8.7-p71 / 1.8.6-p286 released (Security Fix) — Urabe Shyouhei <shyouhei@...>

At last.

13 messages 2008/08/08

[#310540] Ruby IDE — "Mayuresh Kathe" <kathe.mayuresh@...>

Hello,

52 messages 2008/08/08
[#310600] Re: Ruby IDE — "Jayson Williams" <williams.jayson@...> 2008/08/08

I like working in NetBeans, but even on the Quad processor computer at

[#310603] Re: Ruby IDE — Dana Merrick <dmerrick@...> 2008/08/08

Jayson Williams wrote:

[#310610] Re: Ruby IDE — "Eric Schulte" <schulte.eric@...> 2008/08/08

To piggy-back on and emphasize the importance of Dana's point,

[#310719] Re: Ruby IDE — "Piyush Ranjan" <piyush.pr@...> 2008/08/09

I second emacs

[#310725] Re: Ruby IDE — "M. Edward (Ed) Borasky" <znmeb@...> 2008/08/09

On Sun, 2008-08-10 at 05:25 +0900, Piyush Ranjan wrote:

[#310726] Re: Ruby IDE — Matt Lawrence <matt@...> 2008/08/09

On Sun, 10 Aug 2008, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote:

[#310733] Re: Ruby IDE — Joshua Ballanco <jballanc@...> 2008/08/10

Matt Lawrence wrote:

[#310814] Re: Ruby IDE — "Martin DeMello" <martindemello@...> 2008/08/11

On 8/9/08, Joshua Ballanco <jballanc@gmail.com> wrote:

[#310580] Non-Threaded Timeout? — Bryan Richardson <btrichardson@...>

Hell all,

30 messages 2008/08/08

[#310837] gem (update ?) problem — Peter Krieg <pk.hot@...>

Hello,

21 messages 2008/08/11

[#310865] Sort array by two attributes? (like sql "order by A, B") — Max Williams <toastkid.williams@...>

IN sql we can pass two arguments to the 'order by' component, and it

9 messages 2008/08/11

[#310921] Problems with accessing directory defined in ENV variables — Thomas Luedeke <thomas.luedeke@...>

Ruby is giving me pure hell trying to access directories on a mounted

10 messages 2008/08/11

[#310947] Sigh! I'm depressed. Debian vs Ruby and the backtick and subshells — John Carter <john.carter@...>

I have just strace'd weird bug to it's root cause.

20 messages 2008/08/12

[#310950] Ruby 1.9: What to Expect by Sam Ruby @ OSCON 2008 Slide Deck Adapted S6/S9 (Single-Web Page) Version — "Gerald Bauer" <geraldbauer2007@...>

Hello,

15 messages 2008/08/12
[#311073] Re: Ruby 1.9: What to Expect by Sam Ruby @ OSCON 2008 Slide Deck Adapted S6/S9 (Single-Web Page) Version — Iki Baz Castillo <ibc@...> 2008/08/12

El Martes, 12 de Agosto de 2008, Gerald Bauer escribi=F3:

[#311080] Re: Ruby 1.9: What to Expect by Sam Ruby @ OSCON 2008 Slide Deck Adapted S6/S9 (Single-Web Page) Version — "Jeremy Kemper" <jeremy@...> 2008/08/12

On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 1:36 PM, I=F1aki Baz Castillo <ibc@aliax.net> wrote=

[#311085] Re: Ruby 1.9: What to Expect by Sam Ruby @ OSCON 2008 Slide Deck Adapted S6/S9 (Single-Web Page) Version — Iki Baz Castillo <ibc@...> 2008/08/12

El Martes, 12 de Agosto de 2008, Jeremy Kemper escribi=F3:

[#311086] Re: Ruby 1.9: What to Expect by Sam Ruby @ OSCON 2008 Slide Deck Adapted S6/S9 (Single-Web Page) Version — Iki Baz Castillo <ibc@...> 2008/08/12

El Martes, 12 de Agosto de 2008, I=F1aki Baz Castillo escribi=F3:

[#310988] what do you think of this code? — "Ben Aurel" <ben.aurel@...>

hi

16 messages 2008/08/12
[#310992] Re: what do you think of this code? — Stefano Crocco <stefano.crocco@...> 2008/08/12

On Tuesday 12 August 2008, Ben Aurel wrote:

[#311235] Mutithreading to implement near 7000 to 10000 mssage per min — Kaja Mohaideen <kajamohaideen_2003@...>

Hello,

10 messages 2008/08/14

[#311256] Idiom of removing a particular character from a String? — "Lorenzo E. Danielsson" <danielsson.lorenzo@...>

Hi all,

12 messages 2008/08/14

[#311390] Not So Random (#173) — "Matthew Moss" <matthew.moss@...>

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20 messages 2008/08/15

[#311427] BDD and TDD - What are they for? — "Clinton D. Judy" <cdj@...>

I'd like someone to give me very basic reasons for why I need Behavior

42 messages 2008/08/15
[#311655] Re: BDD and TDD - What are they for? — paron <rphillips@...> 2008/08/18

On Aug 16, 11:27=A0am, Eleanor McHugh <elea...@games-with-brains.com>

[#311469] firefox html, my downloaded html and firebug html different? — Adam Akhtar <adamtemporary@...>

Hi Im a relatively new rubyist and programmer in general and currently

10 messages 2008/08/16

[#311517] I wish to learn Ruby ,can anyone teach me??? — Amitanshu Gour <amitanshu_gour@...>

I am a beginner in Programming and don't have much idea about any

10 messages 2008/08/16

[#311523] writing if statement in one line with elsif condition — "Luiz Vitor Martinez Cardoso" <grabber@...>

I'm trying to convert it:

10 messages 2008/08/17

[#311553] Matrix: Need help to understand this behavior — Marcio Braga <mbraga0001@...>

a=[1]

10 messages 2008/08/17

[#311571] Security in use of contants — Kless <jonas.esp@...>

Is secure use constants?

40 messages 2008/08/17

[#311668] Hash#each vs Hash#each_pair — "Patrick Doyle" <wpdster@...>

Sorry if this is a FAQ, but I'm curious to learn the rationale behind

12 messages 2008/08/18

[#311803] Cut a string if length > n — Pål Bergström <pal@...>

What's the best way to cut a string if the length is above n characters?

15 messages 2008/08/19

[#311843] Shortest Ruby crash #49 — Limo Driver <melezov@...>

My contribution to the contest:

15 messages 2008/08/19

[#311937] A Mascot... — "Mayuresh Kathe" <kathe.mayuresh@...>

Hi,

100 messages 2008/08/20
[#311969] Re: A Mascot... — Phlip <phlip2005@...> 2008/08/20

Mayuresh Kathe wrote:

[#311979] Re: A Mascot... — "Mayuresh Kathe" <kathe.mayuresh@...> 2008/08/20

On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 5:51 PM, Phlip <phlip2005@gmail.com> wrote:

[#311980] Re: A Mascot... — "Michal Suchanek" <hramrach@...> 2008/08/20

On 20/08/2008, Mayuresh Kathe <kathe.mayuresh@gmail.com> wrote:

[#311983] Re: A Mascot... — "Clinton D. Judy" <cdj@...> 2008/08/20

V2hpY2ggaXMgd2h5IGEgZ3JlYXQgZ3JhcGhpYyBkZXNpZ25lciBjb3VsZCBjb21lIHVwIHdpdGgg

[#311984] Re: A Mascot... — "Mayuresh Kathe" <kathe.mayuresh@...> 2008/08/20

Clinton, what's your opinion about http://www.hexley.com/

[#312284] Re: A Mascot... — Karl von Laudermann <doodpants@...> 2008/08/22

On Aug 21, 8:26=A0pm, Joshua Ballanco <jball...@gmail.com> wrote:

[#312302] Re: A Mascot... — "Pablo Q." <paqs140482@...> 2008/08/22

I like it! :D, but If you haven=B4t read all post before please do it,

[#312305] Re: A Mascot... — "Gregory Brown" <gregory.t.brown@...> 2008/08/22

On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 1:22 PM, Pablo Q. <paqs140482@gmail.com> wrote:

[#311950] array of hashes - need to iterate and calulate stats but how — Adam Akhtar <adamtemporary@...>

I making a script which generates some basic stats for completed

19 messages 2008/08/20
[#311952] Re: array of hashes - need to iterate and calulate stats but how — Lex Williams <etaern@...> 2008/08/20

something like this :

[#311962] Re: array of hashes - need to iterate and calulate stats but how — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2008/08/20

Hi --

[#312026] Iterating through a hash — "Brian Ross" <p.brian.ross@...>

How can I iterate through a hash so that each key is modified and saved into

13 messages 2008/08/20

[#312048] unintuitive language feature (exclamation functions) — Nick Brown <ruby-forum.com@...>

I was surprised to discover that the code

20 messages 2008/08/20
[#312050] Re: unintuitive language feature (exclamation functions) — "F. Senault" <fred@...> 2008/08/20

Le 20 ao皦 2008 21:45, Nick Brown a 馗rit :

[#312054] Re: unintuitive language feature (exclamation functions) — Nick Brown <ruby-forum.com@...> 2008/08/20

F. Senault wrote:

[#312068] "num in [1,2,3,4]" in a cool way? — Iñaki Baz Castillo <ibc@...>

Hi, AFAIK in Ruby the only (or the "coolest") way to do something as:

17 messages 2008/08/20

[#312360] DoS vulnerability in REXML — Shugo Maeda <shugo@...>

Hello,

16 messages 2008/08/23
[#312384] Re: [ANN] DoS vulnerability in REXML — James Britt <james.britt@...> 2008/08/23

Shugo Maeda wrote:

[#312391] Re: [ANN] DoS vulnerability in REXML — "Christopher Dicely" <cmdicely@...> 2008/08/23

On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 9:28 AM, James Britt <james.britt@gmail.com> wrote:

[#312411] Re: [ANN] DoS vulnerability in REXML — James Britt <james.britt@...> 2008/08/23

Christopher Dicely wrote:

[#312378] Uptime Since... (#174) — "Matthew Moss" <matthew.moss@...>

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26 messages 2008/08/23

[#312388] Why 'if 0' succeeds in Ruby — Phlip <phlip2005@...>

Rubiods:

21 messages 2008/08/23

[#312401] Open file, get first line, delete first line close file — Richard Schneeman <thedickster@...>

Hey, i'm trying to open a file, get the first line of the file, delete

17 messages 2008/08/23

[#312482] Moving all files in a folder to another hard drive — SpringFlowers AutumnMoon <summercoolness@...>

I have some code below to move all files in a folder to another hard

14 messages 2008/08/24

[#312573] Regular Expressions — Newb Newb <hema@...>

I have a image url like this <img src

16 messages 2008/08/25

[#312655] Unraveling binary data out of the proc filesystem on Solaris — Daniel Berger <djberg96@...>

Hi all,

13 messages 2008/08/25
[#312679] Re: Unraveling binary data out of the proc filesystem on Solaris — "Heesob Park" <phasis@...> 2008/08/26

Hi,

[#312734] Passing a block with define_method — "James Coglan" <jcoglan@...>

Hi list,

14 messages 2008/08/26

[#312739] MissingSourceFile: no such file to load -- sqlite3/database — Jo縊 Maca兊a <joao.macaiba@...>

Hi,

11 messages 2008/08/26

[#312792] Chris Pine Tutorial 99 Bottles of Beer Program — danielj <sleepingindian@...>

Just a beginner with a question about this:

15 messages 2008/08/26

[#312795] Deaf Grandma — danielj <sleepingindian@...>

Also from the Chris Pine tutorial for beginners:

20 messages 2008/08/27

[#312825] how to avoid passing by reference and how to copy objects — Adam Akhtar <adamtemporary@...>

Hi after a bit of searching and reading im quite confused by this.

12 messages 2008/08/27

[#312839] Difficult Inheritance Problem — Toby Clemson <tobyclemson@...>

Hi all,

15 messages 2008/08/27

[#312875] encrypting password on form submit? — "Amanda .." <a.etherton@...>

Hi there, I'm trying to use a form to create a user for a site. All the

19 messages 2008/08/27

[#312906] Having a difficult time with Case statements. — Chris Bailey <christopher.sean.bailey@...>

I am trying to implement a simple frontend for a text adventure that

12 messages 2008/08/27

[#312989] specifying a network interface, with a http get request — Andrew Parlane <ajp97@...>

Hi all, I'm fairly new to Ruby but have learnt a lot in the last month

13 messages 2008/08/28
[#313071] Re: specifying a network interface, with a http get request — John Pritchard-williams <monojohnny@...> 2008/08/28

Hi Andy,

[#313182] Re: specifying a network interface, with a http get request — Andrew Parlane <ajp97@...> 2008/08/29

Hey John,

[#312990] Beginner help: Problem installing sqlite3 on Windows XP — Kasper Frederiksen <kasper@...>

Hi Everyone,

11 messages 2008/08/28

[#313031] A general doubt — Rock Roll <karoljouis@...>

If I am developing a Windows application in Ruby using FxRuby or WxRuby,

28 messages 2008/08/28
[#313038] Re: A general doubt — Michael Morin <uzimonkey@...> 2008/08/28

Rock Roll wrote:

[#313070] Use a string as a method call — Chris Bailey <christopher.sean.bailey@...>

I'm trying to come up with an efficient way of using user input as a

16 messages 2008/08/28

[#313098] Please don't flame me...why is there no "++" in Ruby again ? — John Pritchard-williams <monojohnny@...>

There's must be very good simple reason why there is no 'x++' method

24 messages 2008/08/28
[#313100] Re: Please don't flame me...why is there no "++" in Ruby again ? — Joel VanderWerf <vjoel@...> 2008/08/28

John Pritchard-williams wrote:

[#313164] Re: Please don't flame me...why is there no "++" in Ruby again ? — David Masover <ninja@...> 2008/08/29

On Thursday 28 August 2008 16:25:59 Joel VanderWerf wrote:

[#313131] Class === — "RubyTalk@..." <rubytalk@...>

I need help with === and Objects

20 messages 2008/08/29
[#313135] Re: Class === — "Patrick Doyle" <wpdster@...> 2008/08/29

and I would also like to know why

[#313196] Computing folder size - do you have something cleaner than this ? — Thibaut Barr鑽e <thibaut.barrere@...>

Hi guys,

11 messages 2008/08/29

[#313242] Where the Required Things Are (#175) — "Matthew Moss" <matthew.moss@...>

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21 messages 2008/08/29

[#313379] instance_eval/class_eval including/extending modules — Pedro Silva <ei04065@...>

Consider the following example:

14 messages 2008/08/30
[#313401] Re: instance_eval/class_eval including/extending modules — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2008/08/31

HI --

[#313428] Re: instance_eval/class_eval including/extending modules — Pedro Silva <ei04065@...> 2008/08/31

David, thanks for your reply.

[#313432] Re: instance_eval/class_eval including/extending modules — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2008/08/31

Hi --

[#313399] Difference between dir/**/* and dir/*? — Ben Johnson <bjohnson@...>

I've noticed the following when specifying a wildcard array of files:

14 messages 2008/08/31

Re: BDD and TDD - What are they for?

From: David Masover <ninja@...>
Date: 2008-08-16 01:59:41 UTC
List: ruby-talk #311458
On Friday 15 August 2008 15:10:26 Clinton D. Judy wrote:
> I'd like someone to give me very basic reasons for why I need Behavior
> Driven Development (BDD, see RSpec) and/or Test Driven Development (TDD,
> See Test::Unit).

BDD is a philosophy and a vocabulary for talking about TDD. They are not 
mechanically different -- a good TDD suite should support BDD, and vice 
versa. But they do introduce a few new ways of thinking about the problem.

> I do a very small framework, then attempt to run it and
> see if it's giving me the result I expect. If it's not, then I figure
> out what's going wrong, and attempt to solve it before going on to the
> next small part.

That's good. Question: How do you know when it's giving you the result you 
expect?

BDD adds an extra step: You write down the result you expect, in code form, as 
tests. You then write your framework, pretty much as you've described, until 
the test passes.

There are two direct benefits to this approach: First, you know when you're 
done. If it passes a test and you don't think it's done, write down _why_ you 
don't think it's done -- again, as a test.

In other words, it prevents you from writing a ton of unnecessary code.

The second benefit is that, coding this way, you accumulate some small measure 
of documentation: By reading your tests (which BDD calls "specs"), it's 
possible for someone to get an idea of what your code is supposed to do.

> It looks like TDD does exactly what I'm doing, but introduces far more
> code to the equation.

Correct. I won't sugarcoat it -- when I'm doing proper BDD/TDD, I will 
sometimes have twice as much code in tests as I do in the actual program.

> One of the biggest features of TDD is being able 
> to run a suite of tests to make sure new features don't break old
> features.

Not just new features, but any code change. It means that you can do a massive 
internal refactoring, or even replace one library (or program) with another, 
and have some assurance that things still work exactly the way they're 
supposed to.

A simple example: Web browsers. Having the spec, in written form, wasn't good 
enough. That's why we have the Acid2 and Acid3 tests -- now we can know which 
browsers have properly implemented the specs, and to what extent. It also 
provides something for browser developers to work towards.

> Yet I have an eye for this while developing; I either fix the 
> upcoming problem because I know it's going to happen, or I'm doing it
> wrong in the first place.

The problem is, you know your own code very, very well right now.

Will you know this code that well in five years? Will you be able to change 
any part of it without fear that you will break something?

And, perhaps more importantly, will a total stranger be able to sit down and 
do the same?

> Sure, I occasionally miss, but who doesn't?

Your test suite.

> BDD looks like a way to make it easy for non-programmers to do
> programming, but not having people keep several functions in mind at any
> one time.

It's not about keeping several functions in your mind.

It's about keeping the entire program in your mind at once.


But the mention of non-programmers does bring to mind another benefit, and one 
which I rarely see implemented: Stories. A story is a way to express, in 
plain text, how a program should behave, from the user's point of view. 
Ideally, a customer could write stories by themselves.

Realistically, you would probably write the stories with the customer -- they 
do read like plain English, so the customer can understand them, but they 
need to be somewhat stricter, so that you can more easily use them to write 
tests later.

Given a story, and a bit of translation, you can define your eventual target 
behavior, exactly the way the customer (or your boss) wants. Converted to 
integration tests, you have feedback as to when you're done -- when it does 
exactly what the customer wants.



I'm still not fluent enough at writing tests that I can actually start with a 
clean project and test first. I still usually end up doing an evening or a 
weekend worth of code before I have enough of a program in place that I can 
properly reason about what my tests would look like -- what I actually expect 
from this program.

But I'm not sure yet whether this is a deficiency in BDD or in my own line of 
thought. And I do find that after a week or so of development, the program 
has gotten to a point where I need tests -- or at least, where I'm doing so 
much testing manually that it's a pain.

Simple example: I'm writing a program which spiders a certain website, scrapes 
some useful information out of the HTML, and dumps it into a database. I've 
been building it incrementally, as you've described, but every time I want to 
make sure something works, I have to start with a fresh database, open up an 
irb console, and have it download the same page. I then have to browse 
through the database records, making sure they match what I'm expecting.

I'm about to convert this process to a test suite -- some pre-downloaded HTML, 
so I'm not hitting the site every time, and a test to cover this behavior, so 
that I don't have to keep browsing through records.

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