From: Trans Date: 2008-08-10T08:48:03+09:00 Subject: Re: An introduction, in about 50 lines of Ruby. On Aug 9, 11:20 am, "M. Edward (Ed) Borasky" wrote: > On Sat, 2008-08-09 at 23:01 +0900, Trans wrote: > > I thought about that. My concern with creating a beginners list is > > that beginners will be more likely to gravitate toward the most well > > known list, ie. ruby-talk. I could possibly see a ruby-help list, but > > that would take a much more concerted effort by the community to rev- > > up and maintain, and I'm not sure it conveys the type of sectioning > > that's really needed to improve list participation. > > > Yes, having an advanced list is sort of elitist, that's the point. But > > that doesn't make it defacto bad. A better name might help that > > perception however, say ruby-tech. > > Well ... first of all, anybody is free to go to Google Groups and create > and market any kind of list they want to, within certain terms of > service, of course. So if, for example, someone feels that there needs > to be a "ruby-beginners" or a "ruby-help" or a "ruby-professional", they > can just go ahead and start it up and invite participants. It is not possible to create a special general list. Official backing is therefore absolutely necessary for it to work. Otherwise forget it. > Second, *this* list is essentially mirrored between the "ruby-talk" > mailing list, the Usenet comp.lang.ruby newsgroup and a Google Group. If > you split one, you more or less have to split all three of them. It > doesn't seem to me to be worth the effort when anyone can do what I > described above. There is also the ruby-forum mirror. I manage the ruby-talk Google Group, btw. Splitting just means adding another list, it's not a big deal. Also, I heard that Usenet was going down. I suspect that is a relative thing. But is it true? Will it effect comp.lang.ruby? > So ... those of you who feel strongly about establishing new lists, go > ahead and establish them, post the URLs here, and see who joins. :) I > can pretty much guarantee that I won't join one, since I'm on half a > dozen or so specialized Ruby lists, like ruby-core, rubinius-dev, > ruby-benchmark-suite and the Seattle and Portland Ruby brigade lists. > Chances of me missing an opportunity to learn or teach in this area are > rather small, I think. ;) I'm glad to see you are still on ruby-talk then. With all that activity I would fear ruby-talk might fall off your list. That's basically my point about this --I think quite a few have. It would be nice if their were a lower volume list that could centrally connect them. T.