From: Robert Dober Date: 2008-07-05T16:29:58+09:00 Subject: Re: from ruby/RoR to Java (framework unknown) :( On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 1:22 AM, Eleanor McHugh wrote: > On 4 Jul 2008, at 23:26, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: >> >> Bill Kelly wrote: >>> >>> From: "M. Edward (Ed) Borasky" >>>> >>>>> * Or not. Some folks will have ulterior motives for choosing one tool >>>>> over another, but you should start be giving people the benefit of the >>>>> doubt. >>>> >>>> Or better yet, just say, "They may be right," and proceed with the >>>> accepted environments and projects. >>> >>> Wait... have you ever actually endured much Java programming? >>> HaHaOnlySerious, >>> Bill >> >> I once picked Java for a queuing theory model. I tried Visual Basic, Perl >> and Java on some simple linear algebra, and Java was the fastest. This was >> *long* ago -- before "Java 2"! So I wrote it in Java. The damn thing is >> still sitting in a CM repository somewhere. Nobody used it, because Java >> wasn't on the "approved list". If I had written it in C, I would have been a >> hero. Ah, well. :) >> >> That's the only Java code I ever wrote, but the language still appeals to >> me as a language. What I haven't endured is all of the frameworks, APIs, >> XML, etc. that have "evolved" around Java. > > It started out a pretty sweet language: simple to learn and less fiddly that > C++. Unfortunately it's become progressively less friendly with each > successive release, not least because of the proliferation of standard > libraries. If Sun had started out with something a bit more like Groovy I > might even have remained a fan :) Or Smalltalk, IIRC it was just of these *stupid* license issues that they did not continue with Oak. What a shame :( R.