From: Eleanor McHugh Date: 2008-07-05T08:22:41+09:00 Subject: Re: from ruby/RoR to Java (framework unknown) :( On 4 Jul 2008, at 23:26, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: > Bill Kelly wrote: >> From: "M. Edward (Ed) Borasky" >>> >>>> * Or not. Some folks will have ulterior motives for choosing one >>>> tool over another, but you should start be giving people the >>>> benefit of the doubt. >>> >>> Or better yet, just say, "They may be right," and proceed with the >>> accepted environments and projects. >> Wait... have you ever actually endured much Java programming? >> HaHaOnlySerious, >> Bill > > I once picked Java for a queuing theory model. I tried Visual Basic, > Perl and Java on some simple linear algebra, and Java was the > fastest. This was *long* ago -- before "Java 2"! So I wrote it in > Java. The damn thing is still sitting in a CM repository somewhere. > Nobody used it, because Java wasn't on the "approved list". If I had > written it in C, I would have been a hero. Ah, well. :) > > That's the only Java code I ever wrote, but the language still > appeals to me as a language. What I haven't endured is all of the > frameworks, APIs, XML, etc. that have "evolved" around Java. It started out a pretty sweet language: simple to learn and less fiddly that C++. Unfortunately it's become progressively less friendly with each successive release, not least because of the proliferation of standard libraries. If Sun had started out with something a bit more like Groovy I might even have remained a fan :) Ellie Eleanor McHugh Games With Brains http://slides.games-with-brains.net ---- raise ArgumentError unless @reality.responds_to? :reason