From: Robert Klemme Date: 2008-06-28T21:02:38+09:00 Subject: Re: Is this deterministic or not? On 28.06.2008 05:51, defn noob wrote: > everyoen is missing my point. is the complete method deterministic? > not the rand... What complete method? You presented two lines of code and in those the only potential source of indeterminism is #rand (apart from the user input), which is precisely why the discussion revolves around this. Cheers robert