From: "Robert C. Martin" Date: 2001-12-22T04:54:30+09:00 Subject: [ruby-talk:29255] Re: John Roth dolt ( Re: A challenge to proponents of Unit Testing. ) On 21 Dec 2001 05:53:17 -0800, truediogen@my-deja.com (Vladimir) wrote: >Ron Jeffries wrote in message news:<0A32756ADADA363F.070372C414654C16.C0220F403DBE0589@lp.airnews.net>... > >> XP teams seem to have customers who are happy with quality. They >> accomplish this by a continuous and very tight feedback loop, driven >> by delivering features to the customer every two weeks, tested as the >> customer (team) specifies. When the software passes the test but is >> not satisfactory, the team learns how to do better tests. > >None who is not happy??? I can't believe this. I am aware of one XP team, in a company where there are many, whose customer is not happy. Indeed, the team was disbanded by the VP because they failed to Gel. Three iterations in a row failed to deliver value. That particular team simply could not do XP. Not all teams can. I am aware of several companies who are unhappy with consultants or programming teams who claimed to be using XP; but in every case I have investigated I found that that those teams were not working with the customer daily, writing tests first, or delivering value to the customer every two weeks, among other things. There are, after all, people who claim to be doing XP, who are in reality just not doing documentation. Robert C. Martin | "Uncle Bob" | Software Consultants Object Mentor Inc. | rmartin@objectmentor.com | We'll help you get PO Box 5757 | Tel: (800) 338-6716 | your projects done. 565 Lakeview Pkwy | Fax: (847) 573-1658 | www.objectmentor.com Suite 135 | | www.XProgramming.com Vernon Hills, IL, | Training and Mentoring | www.junit.org 60061 | OO, XP, Java, C++, Python| "One of the great commandments of science is: 'Mistrust arguments from authority.'" -- Carl Sagan