[#27163] Statically linked extensions and deferred initialization. — Kent Dahl <kentda@...>

Hi.

12 messages 2001/12/01

[#27168] which editor is adviceful? — Niko Schwarz <niko.schwarz@...>

I know this always is the standard question for every language, but for

17 messages 2001/12/01

[#27191] OO AI — mentifex@... (Arthur T. Murray)

The road to supercomputer AI is paved with good inventions; visit

22 messages 2001/12/01

[#27265] John Roth dolt ( Re: A challenge to proponents of Unit Testing. ) — olczyk@... (Thaddeus L Olczyk)

Background.

166 messages 2001/12/02
[#27295] Re: John Roth dolt ( Re: A challenge to proponents of Unit Testing. ) — Ron Jeffries <ronjeffries@...> 2001/12/02

On Sat, 01 Dec 2001 13:46:42 GMT, olczyk@interaccess.com (Thaddeus L

[#28226] Re: John Roth dolt ( Re: A challenge to proponents of Unit Testing. ) — rbinder@... (Bob Binder) 2001/12/11

Keith Ray <k1e2i3t4h5r6a7y@1m2a3c4.5c6o7m> wrote in message news:<k1e2i3t4h5r6a7y-7C2620.18082110122001@news.attbi.com>...

[#27697] Re: John Roth dolt ( Re: A challenge to proponents of Unit Testing. ) — tadamsmar@... (Tom Adams) 2001/12/06

Ron Jeffries <ronjeffries@REMOVEacm.org> wrote in message news:<176717160028CE03.51B6AF6E20305FB5.2EC5DCFFD6C10DFD@lp.airnews.net>...

[#27958] Re: John Roth dolt ( Re: A challenge to proponents of Unit Testing. ) — "Robert C. Martin" <rmartin@...> 2001/12/08

On Sat, 08 Dec 2001 00:35:43 -0600, Robert C. Martin <rmartin @

[#27287] New RubyGarden Poll - this one affects us all :) — Dave Thomas <Dave@...>

38 messages 2001/12/02
[#27290] RE: New RubyGarden Poll - this one affects us all :) — "Mark Hahn" <mchahn@...> 2001/12/02

[#27482] Re: New RubyGarden Poll - this one affects us all :) — Darrin Thompson <dthompson@...> 2001/12/04

Paul Brannan wrote:

[#27488] Re: New RubyGarden Poll - this one affects us all :) — Michael Neumann <neumann@...> 2001/12/04

Darrin Thompson wrote:

[#27546] Re: New RubyGarden Poll - this one affects us all :) — Bob Hutchison <hutch@...> 2001/12/05

Hi everyone,

[#27552] Re: New RubyGarden Poll - this one affectsus all :) — "Bill Kelly" <billk@...> 2001/12/05

[#27553] Re: New RubyGarden Poll - this one affectsus all :) — David Alan Black <dblack@...> 2001/12/05

Hello --

[#27344] Programname in (un*x) top — kamphausen@... (SKa)

Dear Rubies,

25 messages 2001/12/03
[#27454] Re: Programname in (un*x) top — kamphausen@... (SKa) 2001/12/04

mark@wutka.com wrote in message news:<IsPO7.70773$8n4.4039369@e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com>...

[#27456] Re: Programname in (un*x) top — Martin Weber <Ephaeton@...> 2001/12/04

On Wed, Dec 05, 2001 at 01:03:17AM +0900, SKa wrote:

[#27369] Killer app for Ruby developers? — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...>

This is an idea that is very skeletal

17 messages 2001/12/03

[#27405] Sourceforge vs. Savannah — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...>

Opinion question(s).

16 messages 2001/12/04

[#27485] Package Naming — Dave Thomas <Dave@...>

69 messages 2001/12/04
[#27487] RE: Package Naming — "Mark Hahn" <mchahn@...> 2001/12/04

[#27501] RE: Package Naming — Sean Russell <ser@...> 2001/12/05

Mark Hahn wrote:

[#27506] Re: Package Naming — "Mark Hahn" <mchahn@...> 2001/12/05

[#27585] Re: Package Naming — "Mark Hahn" <mchahn@...> 2001/12/05

The forest service must be a hotbed for beauracracy. The only requirement

[#27587] Re: Package Naming — David Alan Black <dblack@...> 2001/12/05

Hello --

[#27588] Re: Package Naming — "Rich Kilmer" <rich@...> 2001/12/05

> -----Original Message-----

[#27589] Re: Package Naming — David Alan Black <dblack@...> 2001/12/05

Hi --

[#27591] Re: Package Naming — "Rich Kilmer" <rich@...> 2001/12/05

David...

[#27505] Do we need something like Python-URL? — ptkwt@...1.aracnet.com (Phil Tomson)

16 messages 2001/12/05

[#27647] web hosting — "ktethridge" <kevinethridge@...>

Does anyone know of a good hosting service that supports Ruby and MySQL?

18 messages 2001/12/06
[#27654] RE: web hosting — "Curt Hibbs" <curt@...> 2001/12/06

Kevin wrote:

[#27761] what are symbols good for???? — Markus Jais <info@...>

hello

13 messages 2001/12/06

[#27783] DBI and large result sets — " JamesBritt" <james@...>

I'm starting to use Ruby DBI, and I'm wondering about its use when processing

18 messages 2001/12/07
[#27805] Re: DBI and large result sets — Michael Neumann <neumann@...> 2001/12/07

JamesBritt wrote:

[#27829] Re: DBI and large result sets — "James Britt (rubydev)" <james@...> 2001/12/07

Thanks to those who helped clarify things.

[#27824] Perl/Python Module Porting — Joseph Erickson <jerickson@...>

Has there been any thought in the Ruby Community of actively porting

27 messages 2001/12/07
[#27834] Re: Perl/Python Module Porting — ptkwt@...1.aracnet.com (Phil Tomson) 2001/12/07

In article <B3265BDC-EB39-11D5-97BA-0050E4C58663@eyemg.com>,

[#27837] Perl/Python Module Porting — Eric Lee Green <eric@...> 2001/12/07

On Friday 07 December 2001 11:55 am, Phil Tomson wrote:

[#27895] Re: Perl/Python Module Porting — Mathieu Bouchard <matju@...> 2001/12/08

[#27894] Re: App server for Ruby? — Tobias DiPasquale <anany@...>

Todd Gillespie wrote

12 messages 2001/12/08

[#27897] Dictionary.com speeder upper — "Ralph Mason" <ralph.mason@...>

Here is a little script I did to make dictionary.com more useful for me.

15 messages 2001/12/08

[#27915] Ruby IDE?? What about using Eclipse?? — "Ross Shaw" <rshaw1961@...>

Eclipse (www.eclipse.org) is an open extensible IDE (written in Java) that

16 messages 2001/12/08
[#27916] Re: Ruby IDE?? What about using Eclipse?? — Robert Feldt <feldt@...> 2001/12/08

On Sat, 8 Dec 2001, Ross Shaw wrote:

[#27920] Re: Ruby IDE?? What about using Eclipse?? — "Curt Hibbs" <curt@...> 2001/12/08

I am going to do this.

[#27921] Re: Ruby IDE?? What about using Eclipse?? — Robert Feldt <feldt@...> 2001/12/08

On Sat, 8 Dec 2001, Curt Hibbs wrote:

[#27980] Displaying Ruby code in LaTeX — "Harry Ohlsen" <harryo@...>

Has anyone written a document in LaTeX that includes examples of Ruby

15 messages 2001/12/08

[#28052] How does puts decide how to print a given object? — "Harry Ohlsen" <harryo@...>

I'm writing a short tutorial introduction to Ruby for an upcoming uni

20 messages 2001/12/10
[#28062] Re: How does puts decide how to print a given object? — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2001/12/10

Hi,

[#28087] Re: How does puts decide how to print a given object? — David Alan Black <dblack@...> 2001/12/10

Hello --

[#28096] The benefits of dynamic typing? — Roy Patrick Tan <rtan@...>

I have just recently read an old paper by Wirth "On the Design of

59 messages 2001/12/10
[#28108] Re: The benefits of dynamic typing? — Robert Feldt <feldt@...> 2001/12/10

This is a bit long...

[#28147] Re: The benefits of dynamic typing? — "Harry Ohlsen" <harryo@...> 2001/12/10

In article <3C153282.9000309@vt.edu>, "Roy Patrick Tan" <rtan@vt.edu>

[#28150] Re: The benefits of dynamic typing? — "Mark Hahn" <mchahn@...> 2001/12/10

[#28115] Ruby for Mac OS X — "Dan Hable" <DHable@...>

Hi,

18 messages 2001/12/10
[#28119] Re: Ruby for Mac OS X — Luc Heinrich <lucsky@...> 2001/12/10

On 10/12/2001 19:05, "Dan Hable" <DHable@phmining.com> wrote:

[#28885] Re: Ruby for Mac OS X — John Beppu <beppu@...9.org> 2001/12/18

[ date ] 2001/12/11 | Tuesday | 03:23 AM

[#28179] Ruby Musings — "John Kaurin" <jkaurin@...>

Ruby Musings (IMHO):

18 messages 2001/12/11

[#28272] Survey for new Rubyists — ptkwt@...1.aracnet.com (Phil Tomson)

23 messages 2001/12/11

[#28307] Reviews solicited for Ruby article — "Harry Ohlsen" <harryo@...>

I'm in the process of writing an article on Ruby for a computer science students'

17 messages 2001/12/12

[#28308] Rendering UML diagrams? — Robert Feldt <feldt@...>

Hi,

14 messages 2001/12/12

[#28495] internal server errors — Jack Dempsey <dempsejn@...>

hi all,

15 messages 2001/12/14

[#28500] A Review of "Ruby in a Nutshell" book — Johan Holmberg <holmberg@...>

27 messages 2001/12/14

[#28552] help with ^M (line endings ) removing — Dinakar Desai <Desai.Dinakar@...>

Hello:

12 messages 2001/12/14

[#28655] RDoc - Document Ruby source files — Dave Thomas <Dave@...>

25 messages 2001/12/16
[#28768] Re: RDoc - Document Ruby source files — Dave Thomas <Dave@...> 2001/12/17

Alexander Bokovoy <a.bokovoy@sam-solutions.net> writes:

[#28769] Re: RDoc - Document Ruby source files — Alexander Bokovoy <a.bokovoy@...> 2001/12/17

On Mon, Dec 17, 2001 at 11:19:11PM +0900, Dave Thomas wrote:

[#28789] Re: RDoc - Document Ruby source files — "Christian Boos" <cboos@...> 2001/12/17

[#28676] How do you do "character filtering" of a string using each_byte. — olczyk@... (Thaddeus L. Olczyk)

I'm trying to do several things where I produce new strings from old

10 messages 2001/12/16

[#28722] stderr from external process? — "MikkelFJ" <mikkelj-anti-spam@...1.dknet.dk>

I have asked this question before - maybe it is just not possible:

75 messages 2001/12/17
[#28923] Re: stderr from external process? — "MikkelFJ" <mikkelj-anti-spam@...1.dknet.dk> 2001/12/19

[#28960] RE: Ruby 'make' replacement (Re: stderr from external process?) — "Christian Boos" <cboos@...> 2001/12/19

Hello,

[#29094] Re: Ruby 'make' replacement (Re: stderr from external process?) — "Jason Horman" <jason@...> 2001/12/20

I wrote the Torrent library. I was not sure what license to pick so I picked

[#29096] Re: Ruby 'make' replacement (Re: stderr from external process?) — Robert Feldt <feldt@...> 2001/12/20

Just a thought on this thread (it might be obvious, I just want it to be

[#29117] Re: Ruby 'make' replacement (Re: stderr from external process?) — Dave Thomas <Dave@...> 2001/12/20

"MikkelFJ" <mikkelj-anti-spam@post1.dknet.dk> writes:

[#29156] Programming Ruby — "Marcio Barbosa" <argaeus@...> 2001/12/20

Hi,

[#28737] [Announcement] Ruby news weekly — Holden Glova <dsafari@...>

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30 messages 2001/12/17

[#28749] Constant loss of memory with Kernel::load in a loop — "Jens Nissen" <frodo.hobbit@...>

We have developed a wonderful application under Windows 2K using Ruby 1.6.5

31 messages 2001/12/17
[#28755] Re: Constant loss of memory with Kernel::load in a loop — nobu.nokada@... 2001/12/17

At Mon, 17 Dec 2001 19:36:42 +0900,

[#28760] Re: Constant loss of memory with Kernel::load in a loop — ts <decoux@...> 2001/12/17

>>>>> "n" == nobu nokada <nobu.nokada@softhome.net> writes:

[#28774] Re: Constant loss of memory with Kernel::load in a loop — nobu.nokada@... 2001/12/17

At Mon, 17 Dec 2001 22:06:31 +0900,

[#28782] Re: Constant loss of memory with Kernel::load in a loop — ts <decoux@...> 2001/12/17

>>>>> "n" == nobu nokada <nobu.nokada@softhome.net> writes:

[#28803] Re: Constant loss of memory with Kernel::load in a loop — nobu.nokada@... 2001/12/17

At Mon, 17 Dec 2001 23:59:17 +0900,

[#29128] Re: Constant loss of memory with Kernel::load in a loop — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2001/12/20

Hi,

[#28855] [IDEA] creating stand-alone versions for easy distribution etc — Patrik Sundberg <ps@...>

hi list,

10 messages 2001/12/18
[#28856] Re: [IDEA] creating stand-alone versions for easy distribution etc — Robert Feldt <feldt@...> 2001/12/18

On Tue, 18 Dec 2001, Patrik Sundberg wrote:

[#28875] C++ preincrement operator — Paul Brannan <paul@...>

In Ruby, if I do this:

17 messages 2001/12/18
[#28876] Re: C++ preincrement operator — Peter Hickman <peter@...> 2001/12/18

Paul Brannan wrote:

[#28878] Re: C++ preincrement operator — Paul Brannan <paul@...> 2001/12/18

On Wed, Dec 19, 2001 at 02:09:03AM +0900, Peter Hickman wrote:

[#28879] Re: C++ preincrement operator — "Jack Dempsey" <dempsejn@...> 2001/12/18

so basically you're suggesting that any amount of stacking -'s or +'s past

[#28911] A Ruby programmer walked into a bar ... — "Harry Ohlsen" <harryo@...>

Now that I have your attention :-) ...

29 messages 2001/12/19
[#28985] Re: A Ruby programmer walked into a bar and ordered a Ruby-Thread — Luc Heinrich <lucsky@...> 2001/12/19

On 19/12/2001 15:46, "Harry Ohlsen" <harryo@zip.com.au> wrote:

[#29036] Re: A Ruby programmer walked into a bar and ordered a Ruby-Thread — HarryO <harryo@...> 2001/12/19

On Thu, 20 Dec 2001 07:58:47 +1100, Dave Thomas wrote:

[#29038] Re: A Ruby programmer walked into a bar and ordered a Ruby-Thread — "Mark Hahn" <mchahn@...> 2001/12/20

[#29046] Re: A Ruby programmer walked into a bar and ordered a Ruby-Thread — Dave Thomas <Dave@...> 2001/12/20

"Mark Hahn" <mchahn@facelink.com> writes:

[#28926] Stream? — Ron Jeffries <ronjeffries@...>

Is there a memory stream object in Ruby, analogous to Smalltalk's

14 messages 2001/12/19

[#28977] overriding methods: (almost) a replacement for alias_method — Paul Brannan <paul@...>

I think almost all of us will agree that it's pretty ugly to do:

17 messages 2001/12/19

[#29014] But is it Fun? — edwardhatfield1@... (Edward Hatfield)

I've been watching Ruby with great interest over

19 messages 2001/12/19

[#29265] upper case to lower — "Bashar A. Asad" <baasad@...>

hello,

25 messages 2001/12/21

[#29296] XEmacs problems with ruby-mode.el

Hi,

17 messages 2001/12/22

[#29327] a better way? — Ron Jeffries <ronjeffries@...>

I was writing a little code that cached a function value, and wound up

38 messages 2001/12/23
[#29328] Re: a better way? — David Alan Black <dblack@...> 2001/12/23

Hi --

[#29331] Re: a better way? — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...> 2001/12/23

----- Original Message -----

[#29488] Python and Ruby: a comparison — Ron Stephens <rdsteph@...>

I initiated a thread over on comp.lang.python which has turned into

68 messages 2001/12/27
[#29677] Re: Python and Ruby: a comparison — Ron Stephens <rdsteph@...> 2001/12/30

Very interesting idea. Unfortunately, I doubt if it woudl be possible. For one

[#29696] Re: Python and Ruby: a comparison — "Conrad Schneiker" <schneiker@...> 2001/12/30

"Ron Stephens" <rdsteph@earthlink.net> wrote:

[#29869] Re: Python and Ruby: a comparison — Michael Kelly <mkelly2002NOSPAM@...> 2001/12/31

On Mon, 31 Dec 2001 12:26:46 +1100, Michael Lucas-Smith >Check out

[#29871] Re: Python and Ruby: a comparison — Dan Sugalski <dan@...> 2001/12/31

At 02:02 AM 1/1/2002 +0900, Michael Kelly wrote:

[#29541] New Rubygarden poll — Dave Thomas <Dave@...>

27 messages 2001/12/28

[#29545] RDoc now displays source — Dave Thomas <Dave@...>

17 messages 2001/12/28

[#29596] extending method of class A to support arguments of class B by promoting `self' to class B — Tomasz Wegrzanowski <taw@...>

(Names of classes chosen arbitrarily, just to show issue)

18 messages 2001/12/28

[#29613] Extending Ruby on Windows platform using VC++ IDE — "Alan Moyer" <moyer4@...>

Hi,

11 messages 2001/12/29

[#29667] Yet Another Newbie — Michael Kelly <mkelly2002NOSPAM@...>

Yet Another Newbie. :)

13 messages 2001/12/29

[#29713] Ruby parsers in Ruby — ptkwt@...1.aracnet.com (Phil Tomson)

Wouldn't it be cool to have Ruby playing with Parrot before Python or even

20 messages 2001/12/30

[#29773] Proc.class vs yield — Michael Lucas-Smith <s3225202@...>

Hi,

49 messages 2001/12/31
[#29782] Re: Proc.class vs yield — David Alan Black <dblack@...> 2001/12/31

Hello --

[#29795] Re: Proc.class vs yield — Michael Lucas-Smith <s3225202@...> 2001/12/31

def someThing (&a, &b)

[#29796] Re: Proc.class vs yield — David Alan Black <dblack@...> 2001/12/31

Hi --

[#29797] Re: Proc.class vs yield — Michael Lucas-Smith <s3225202@...> 2001/12/31

>

[#29802] Re: Proc.class vs yield — David Alan Black <dblack@...> 2001/12/31

Hi --

[#29849] Re: Proc.class vs yield — Michael Lucas-Smith <s3225202@...> 2001/12/31

That's a good solution, thanks.

[#29867] Re: Proc.class vs yield — David Alan Black <dblack@...> 2001/12/31

Hi --

[#29798] FXRuby FreeRIDE Spike uploaded. — Phlip <phlip_cpp@...>

Rubies:

14 messages 2001/12/31

[#29886] Ruby/Python: Software Engineering — noone <nanotech@...>

All:

36 messages 2001/12/31
[#29889] Re: Ruby/Python: Software Engineering — Tomasz Wegrzanowski <taw@...> 2001/12/31

On Tue, Jan 01, 2002 at 05:03:35AM +0900, noone wrote:

[#29904] Re: Ruby/Python: Software Engineering — noone <nanotech@...> 2001/12/31

Tomasz/All:

[#29887] RE: Ruby multi-dimensional Hash question?---Any one out there willing to give this questions a try? — "Crandall, Jeff W" <jeff.w.crandall@...>

Anyone? Is this the correct mailing list to try and get

18 messages 2001/12/31

[#29895] How to check free diskspace? — Le Wang <lewang@?.?.bigfoot.com (nospam)>

Hi all,

23 messages 2001/12/31

[ruby-talk:28732] How can we get publicity for 1.8 release?

From: ptkwt@...1.aracnet.com (Phil Tomson)
Date: 2001-12-17 05:36:28 UTC
List: ruby-talk #28732
Consider this a brainstorming session:

Ruby 1.8 is apparently coming out soon (based on recent posts from Matz) - 
perhaps by year's end.

It seems that on a lot of open source news sites (slashdot, linuxtoday, 
linux weekly news, newsforge, linuxprogramming...) that whenever a new 
version of Perl or Python come out a story gets posted - and its often 
not even a major version release.  Ruby deserves to be as well known and 
publisized as Perl and Python and to some extent I think it's up to us 
(the current Ruby community) to make that happen.

So... with the imminent release of Ruby 1.8 it would be nice if we could 
get the announcement of the release posted on several of the mentioned 
sites.  Ruby isn't as well known as Perl or Python (in the US anyway), 
but are there things we can do that will change that?  

Here are some ideas:

* If you're a Linux user, approach your local LUG (Linux user's group) 
about doing a presentation on Ruby at one of their meetings.  I did this a 
few months back - these LUGs are generally always looking for people to 
make knowledgable presentations at their meetings.

* How about approaching your local Perl Monger's group and making a 
presentation on Ruby?  I think somebody actually did this several months 
back and they lived to tell the tale.  (I'd do it here, but I can't find 
our local Perl Mongers group - it's supposed to exist, but nobody's 
there...)

* Write articles on various aspects of Ruby - I think there are several of 
these in the works.  If programmers start seeing a lot of articles on Ruby 
in various popular periodicals some of them will start to take notice.  I 
think the Dr. Dobb's article last year probably provided a big infusion 
of new Ruby users (I was one).

* submit news items to sites like the ones mentioned above.  Especially 
when 1.8 is released.

* post items to related programming newsgroups - but not offtopic.  For 
example, somebody recently posted a question to comp.object about the best 
way to learn OOP.  There were about four of the responders (me included) 
that told the seeker to go and learn Ruby as a means of learning OOP (in 
addition to other suggestions as well).  
Of all the language responses, I think Ruby turned out to be one of the 
most recomended.
[NOTE: we want positive publicity, and not 'language wars' type postings.
It often just means mentioning Ruby in a post so that people know it 
exists and the name gets out there]

* talk to co-workers about it and try to get it into your workplace for an 
internal project.


other ideas?  To some extent, I think that in order to enlarge the Ruby 
community we need to at least look bigger than we might really be right 
now.  I think a lot of us (those of us who use Ruby now) tend to 
be the early adopters, now we need to go after the 'second tier' not-as- 
early-adopters and convince them that there are good reasons to learn and 
use Ruby.

I know a lot of folks shy away from language advocacy - there has been a 
lot of bad advocacy (for languages, OSs, etc...) so I'm differentiating 
advocacy from publicity (or PR).  Publicity/PR being a means of letting 
people know about something they may not know about and explaining 
(rationally) how it might benefit them.

Phil


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