From: Nicholas Wieland Date: 2008-01-10T06:15:21+09:00 Subject: Re: Zed Shaw - Ruby has dodged a bullet --Apple-Mail-15-415304572 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Il giorno 02/gen/08, alle ore 18:11, Michael Schuerig ha scritto: > On Wednesday 02 January 2008, Giles Bowkett wrote: >> I think the only question worth thinking about here is how do we make >> damn sure that whatever the hell is wrong with the Rails community >> never becomes a problem for us. > > So what *is* wrong with the Rails community? I take it, that behavior > like Zed's or your own, whatever it may be, can't be it. There are > annoyances, of course, people asking questions and demanding answers > ("bump") without doing the slightest research beforehand. Well, that's > easily ignored, the worst about it is the traffic it generates. Are > Rails people unpleasant in the real world? Honestly, I don't meet that > many to judge the case. If anyone of those I did meet was unpleasant, > it was entirely unrelated to Rails or Ruby. +1 I work professionally with Ruby and Rails, that's why I will never thank Rails enough - I studied Ruby _years_ before Rails, I never had the possibility to work with it, not even close (biggest problem can be that I'm italian ...). From time to time I find myself asking something on IRC, and have some silly "I know everything get a clue" answers, but what the hell, who cares. I passed my 18 and I can just ignore harsh comments - especially if they're from someone I don't care of. There will always be strong personalities (I can name some in the Python community for example) and silly people, but definitely not because of the language or the framework or whatever. I can't really say something about Zed, he literally saved my ass at an italian conference, and saved twice because of Mongrel, plus even if he goes in Hyde mode on his blog he is a nice guy and I'm sure that everybody who actually met him can tell the same - but you can't say all that he says and in the same time doing exactly the same thing just 3 times worse. Anyway, there is of course some convergence to Rails from PHP, and of course some kind of "skill clash", PHP is basically a structural language, and being Rails pretty easy to learn people just don't learn Ruby before: I just rewrote a Rails app written by PHP programmers, and my god, it redefined the meaning of the word "hell". Still I don't fell like it's a Rails fault, if people writes shitty code it's people fault, not of the framework. My 0,2 ngw -- http://www.stacktrace.it Nicholas Wieland nicholas.wieland@gmail.com --Apple-Mail-15-415304572--