From: Chad Perrin Date: 2008-01-03T22:08:00+09:00 Subject: Re: Zed Shaw - Ruby has dodged a bullet On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 09:55:46PM +0900, Robert Dober wrote: > On Jan 3, 2008 1:34 PM, Todd Benson wrote: > > On Jan 3, 2008 6:30 AM, Todd Benson wrote: > > > On Jan 3, 2008 5:07 AM, Robert Dober wrote: > > > > > > >But, I just > > > > > think that sociologically, a scaffold (Rails) that allows people to do > > > > > things when they really _don't_ know how to do things can be > > > > > frustrating for some coders. > > > > Oh I find it horrifying, interesting point to see if this was a valid > > > > point for abstraction or not. > > > > I had the instant feeling it was not and pushing people to bad design > > > > but I am an ignorant of the structures > > > > of large Web applications ( having written one not so small in LAMP > > > > myself long time ago) and therefore cannot say anything about it... > > > > > > Sort of off topic: I've seen graduated engineers know exactly how to > > > use the CAD software, but could barely engineer a birdhouse. > > > > Sorry, I should point out this doesn't apply to you. I've seen some > > really good code on this list from you. I hope to see a lot more! > I did in no way take offense, but thanks anyway. > BTW I love the point you made, Rails is exactly a powerful tool making > things easy, that has to have downsides of course... One doesn't typically hand a power drill with 100 foot-pounds of torque to an accountant to use for hanging pictures -- or, at the very least, one provides the manual complete with safety guidelines in it. For some reason, software isn't treated the same way as power tools in that regard, especially in a commercial setting. -- CCD CopyWrite Chad Perrin [ http://ccd.apotheon.org ] W. Somerset Maugham: "The ability to quote is a serviceable substitute for wit."