[#27163] Statically linked extensions and deferred initialization. — Kent Dahl <kentda@...>

Hi.

12 messages 2001/12/01

[#27168] which editor is adviceful? — Niko Schwarz <niko.schwarz@...>

I know this always is the standard question for every language, but for

17 messages 2001/12/01

[#27191] OO AI — mentifex@... (Arthur T. Murray)

The road to supercomputer AI is paved with good inventions; visit

22 messages 2001/12/01

[#27265] John Roth dolt ( Re: A challenge to proponents of Unit Testing. ) — olczyk@... (Thaddeus L Olczyk)

Background.

166 messages 2001/12/02
[#27295] Re: John Roth dolt ( Re: A challenge to proponents of Unit Testing. ) — Ron Jeffries <ronjeffries@...> 2001/12/02

On Sat, 01 Dec 2001 13:46:42 GMT, olczyk@interaccess.com (Thaddeus L

[#28226] Re: John Roth dolt ( Re: A challenge to proponents of Unit Testing. ) — rbinder@... (Bob Binder) 2001/12/11

Keith Ray <k1e2i3t4h5r6a7y@1m2a3c4.5c6o7m> wrote in message news:<k1e2i3t4h5r6a7y-7C2620.18082110122001@news.attbi.com>...

[#27697] Re: John Roth dolt ( Re: A challenge to proponents of Unit Testing. ) — tadamsmar@... (Tom Adams) 2001/12/06

Ron Jeffries <ronjeffries@REMOVEacm.org> wrote in message news:<176717160028CE03.51B6AF6E20305FB5.2EC5DCFFD6C10DFD@lp.airnews.net>...

[#27958] Re: John Roth dolt ( Re: A challenge to proponents of Unit Testing. ) — "Robert C. Martin" <rmartin@...> 2001/12/08

On Sat, 08 Dec 2001 00:35:43 -0600, Robert C. Martin <rmartin @

[#27287] New RubyGarden Poll - this one affects us all :) — Dave Thomas <Dave@...>

38 messages 2001/12/02
[#27290] RE: New RubyGarden Poll - this one affects us all :) — "Mark Hahn" <mchahn@...> 2001/12/02

[#27482] Re: New RubyGarden Poll - this one affects us all :) — Darrin Thompson <dthompson@...> 2001/12/04

Paul Brannan wrote:

[#27488] Re: New RubyGarden Poll - this one affects us all :) — Michael Neumann <neumann@...> 2001/12/04

Darrin Thompson wrote:

[#27546] Re: New RubyGarden Poll - this one affects us all :) — Bob Hutchison <hutch@...> 2001/12/05

Hi everyone,

[#27552] Re: New RubyGarden Poll - this one affectsus all :) — "Bill Kelly" <billk@...> 2001/12/05

[#27553] Re: New RubyGarden Poll - this one affectsus all :) — David Alan Black <dblack@...> 2001/12/05

Hello --

[#27344] Programname in (un*x) top — kamphausen@... (SKa)

Dear Rubies,

25 messages 2001/12/03
[#27454] Re: Programname in (un*x) top — kamphausen@... (SKa) 2001/12/04

mark@wutka.com wrote in message news:<IsPO7.70773$8n4.4039369@e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com>...

[#27456] Re: Programname in (un*x) top — Martin Weber <Ephaeton@...> 2001/12/04

On Wed, Dec 05, 2001 at 01:03:17AM +0900, SKa wrote:

[#27369] Killer app for Ruby developers? — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...>

This is an idea that is very skeletal

17 messages 2001/12/03

[#27405] Sourceforge vs. Savannah — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...>

Opinion question(s).

16 messages 2001/12/04

[#27485] Package Naming — Dave Thomas <Dave@...>

69 messages 2001/12/04
[#27487] RE: Package Naming — "Mark Hahn" <mchahn@...> 2001/12/04

[#27501] RE: Package Naming — Sean Russell <ser@...> 2001/12/05

Mark Hahn wrote:

[#27506] Re: Package Naming — "Mark Hahn" <mchahn@...> 2001/12/05

[#27585] Re: Package Naming — "Mark Hahn" <mchahn@...> 2001/12/05

The forest service must be a hotbed for beauracracy. The only requirement

[#27587] Re: Package Naming — David Alan Black <dblack@...> 2001/12/05

Hello --

[#27588] Re: Package Naming — "Rich Kilmer" <rich@...> 2001/12/05

> -----Original Message-----

[#27589] Re: Package Naming — David Alan Black <dblack@...> 2001/12/05

Hi --

[#27591] Re: Package Naming — "Rich Kilmer" <rich@...> 2001/12/05

David...

[#27505] Do we need something like Python-URL? — ptkwt@...1.aracnet.com (Phil Tomson)

16 messages 2001/12/05

[#27647] web hosting — "ktethridge" <kevinethridge@...>

Does anyone know of a good hosting service that supports Ruby and MySQL?

18 messages 2001/12/06
[#27654] RE: web hosting — "Curt Hibbs" <curt@...> 2001/12/06

Kevin wrote:

[#27761] what are symbols good for???? — Markus Jais <info@...>

hello

13 messages 2001/12/06

[#27783] DBI and large result sets — " JamesBritt" <james@...>

I'm starting to use Ruby DBI, and I'm wondering about its use when processing

18 messages 2001/12/07
[#27805] Re: DBI and large result sets — Michael Neumann <neumann@...> 2001/12/07

JamesBritt wrote:

[#27829] Re: DBI and large result sets — "James Britt (rubydev)" <james@...> 2001/12/07

Thanks to those who helped clarify things.

[#27824] Perl/Python Module Porting — Joseph Erickson <jerickson@...>

Has there been any thought in the Ruby Community of actively porting

27 messages 2001/12/07
[#27834] Re: Perl/Python Module Porting — ptkwt@...1.aracnet.com (Phil Tomson) 2001/12/07

In article <B3265BDC-EB39-11D5-97BA-0050E4C58663@eyemg.com>,

[#27837] Perl/Python Module Porting — Eric Lee Green <eric@...> 2001/12/07

On Friday 07 December 2001 11:55 am, Phil Tomson wrote:

[#27895] Re: Perl/Python Module Porting — Mathieu Bouchard <matju@...> 2001/12/08

[#27894] Re: App server for Ruby? — Tobias DiPasquale <anany@...>

Todd Gillespie wrote

12 messages 2001/12/08

[#27897] Dictionary.com speeder upper — "Ralph Mason" <ralph.mason@...>

Here is a little script I did to make dictionary.com more useful for me.

15 messages 2001/12/08

[#27915] Ruby IDE?? What about using Eclipse?? — "Ross Shaw" <rshaw1961@...>

Eclipse (www.eclipse.org) is an open extensible IDE (written in Java) that

16 messages 2001/12/08
[#27916] Re: Ruby IDE?? What about using Eclipse?? — Robert Feldt <feldt@...> 2001/12/08

On Sat, 8 Dec 2001, Ross Shaw wrote:

[#27920] Re: Ruby IDE?? What about using Eclipse?? — "Curt Hibbs" <curt@...> 2001/12/08

I am going to do this.

[#27921] Re: Ruby IDE?? What about using Eclipse?? — Robert Feldt <feldt@...> 2001/12/08

On Sat, 8 Dec 2001, Curt Hibbs wrote:

[#27980] Displaying Ruby code in LaTeX — "Harry Ohlsen" <harryo@...>

Has anyone written a document in LaTeX that includes examples of Ruby

15 messages 2001/12/08

[#28052] How does puts decide how to print a given object? — "Harry Ohlsen" <harryo@...>

I'm writing a short tutorial introduction to Ruby for an upcoming uni

20 messages 2001/12/10
[#28062] Re: How does puts decide how to print a given object? — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2001/12/10

Hi,

[#28087] Re: How does puts decide how to print a given object? — David Alan Black <dblack@...> 2001/12/10

Hello --

[#28096] The benefits of dynamic typing? — Roy Patrick Tan <rtan@...>

I have just recently read an old paper by Wirth "On the Design of

59 messages 2001/12/10
[#28108] Re: The benefits of dynamic typing? — Robert Feldt <feldt@...> 2001/12/10

This is a bit long...

[#28147] Re: The benefits of dynamic typing? — "Harry Ohlsen" <harryo@...> 2001/12/10

In article <3C153282.9000309@vt.edu>, "Roy Patrick Tan" <rtan@vt.edu>

[#28150] Re: The benefits of dynamic typing? — "Mark Hahn" <mchahn@...> 2001/12/10

[#28115] Ruby for Mac OS X — "Dan Hable" <DHable@...>

Hi,

18 messages 2001/12/10
[#28119] Re: Ruby for Mac OS X — Luc Heinrich <lucsky@...> 2001/12/10

On 10/12/2001 19:05, "Dan Hable" <DHable@phmining.com> wrote:

[#28885] Re: Ruby for Mac OS X — John Beppu <beppu@...9.org> 2001/12/18

[ date ] 2001/12/11 | Tuesday | 03:23 AM

[#28179] Ruby Musings — "John Kaurin" <jkaurin@...>

Ruby Musings (IMHO):

18 messages 2001/12/11

[#28272] Survey for new Rubyists — ptkwt@...1.aracnet.com (Phil Tomson)

23 messages 2001/12/11

[#28307] Reviews solicited for Ruby article — "Harry Ohlsen" <harryo@...>

I'm in the process of writing an article on Ruby for a computer science students'

17 messages 2001/12/12

[#28308] Rendering UML diagrams? — Robert Feldt <feldt@...>

Hi,

14 messages 2001/12/12

[#28495] internal server errors — Jack Dempsey <dempsejn@...>

hi all,

15 messages 2001/12/14

[#28500] A Review of "Ruby in a Nutshell" book — Johan Holmberg <holmberg@...>

27 messages 2001/12/14

[#28552] help with ^M (line endings ) removing — Dinakar Desai <Desai.Dinakar@...>

Hello:

12 messages 2001/12/14

[#28655] RDoc - Document Ruby source files — Dave Thomas <Dave@...>

25 messages 2001/12/16
[#28768] Re: RDoc - Document Ruby source files — Dave Thomas <Dave@...> 2001/12/17

Alexander Bokovoy <a.bokovoy@sam-solutions.net> writes:

[#28769] Re: RDoc - Document Ruby source files — Alexander Bokovoy <a.bokovoy@...> 2001/12/17

On Mon, Dec 17, 2001 at 11:19:11PM +0900, Dave Thomas wrote:

[#28789] Re: RDoc - Document Ruby source files — "Christian Boos" <cboos@...> 2001/12/17

[#28676] How do you do "character filtering" of a string using each_byte. — olczyk@... (Thaddeus L. Olczyk)

I'm trying to do several things where I produce new strings from old

10 messages 2001/12/16

[#28722] stderr from external process? — "MikkelFJ" <mikkelj-anti-spam@...1.dknet.dk>

I have asked this question before - maybe it is just not possible:

75 messages 2001/12/17
[#28923] Re: stderr from external process? — "MikkelFJ" <mikkelj-anti-spam@...1.dknet.dk> 2001/12/19

[#28960] RE: Ruby 'make' replacement (Re: stderr from external process?) — "Christian Boos" <cboos@...> 2001/12/19

Hello,

[#29094] Re: Ruby 'make' replacement (Re: stderr from external process?) — "Jason Horman" <jason@...> 2001/12/20

I wrote the Torrent library. I was not sure what license to pick so I picked

[#29096] Re: Ruby 'make' replacement (Re: stderr from external process?) — Robert Feldt <feldt@...> 2001/12/20

Just a thought on this thread (it might be obvious, I just want it to be

[#29117] Re: Ruby 'make' replacement (Re: stderr from external process?) — Dave Thomas <Dave@...> 2001/12/20

"MikkelFJ" <mikkelj-anti-spam@post1.dknet.dk> writes:

[#29156] Programming Ruby — "Marcio Barbosa" <argaeus@...> 2001/12/20

Hi,

[#28737] [Announcement] Ruby news weekly — Holden Glova <dsafari@...>

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30 messages 2001/12/17

[#28749] Constant loss of memory with Kernel::load in a loop — "Jens Nissen" <frodo.hobbit@...>

We have developed a wonderful application under Windows 2K using Ruby 1.6.5

31 messages 2001/12/17
[#28755] Re: Constant loss of memory with Kernel::load in a loop — nobu.nokada@... 2001/12/17

At Mon, 17 Dec 2001 19:36:42 +0900,

[#28760] Re: Constant loss of memory with Kernel::load in a loop — ts <decoux@...> 2001/12/17

>>>>> "n" == nobu nokada <nobu.nokada@softhome.net> writes:

[#28774] Re: Constant loss of memory with Kernel::load in a loop — nobu.nokada@... 2001/12/17

At Mon, 17 Dec 2001 22:06:31 +0900,

[#28782] Re: Constant loss of memory with Kernel::load in a loop — ts <decoux@...> 2001/12/17

>>>>> "n" == nobu nokada <nobu.nokada@softhome.net> writes:

[#28803] Re: Constant loss of memory with Kernel::load in a loop — nobu.nokada@... 2001/12/17

At Mon, 17 Dec 2001 23:59:17 +0900,

[#29128] Re: Constant loss of memory with Kernel::load in a loop — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2001/12/20

Hi,

[#28855] [IDEA] creating stand-alone versions for easy distribution etc — Patrik Sundberg <ps@...>

hi list,

10 messages 2001/12/18
[#28856] Re: [IDEA] creating stand-alone versions for easy distribution etc — Robert Feldt <feldt@...> 2001/12/18

On Tue, 18 Dec 2001, Patrik Sundberg wrote:

[#28875] C++ preincrement operator — Paul Brannan <paul@...>

In Ruby, if I do this:

17 messages 2001/12/18
[#28876] Re: C++ preincrement operator — Peter Hickman <peter@...> 2001/12/18

Paul Brannan wrote:

[#28878] Re: C++ preincrement operator — Paul Brannan <paul@...> 2001/12/18

On Wed, Dec 19, 2001 at 02:09:03AM +0900, Peter Hickman wrote:

[#28879] Re: C++ preincrement operator — "Jack Dempsey" <dempsejn@...> 2001/12/18

so basically you're suggesting that any amount of stacking -'s or +'s past

[#28911] A Ruby programmer walked into a bar ... — "Harry Ohlsen" <harryo@...>

Now that I have your attention :-) ...

29 messages 2001/12/19
[#28985] Re: A Ruby programmer walked into a bar and ordered a Ruby-Thread — Luc Heinrich <lucsky@...> 2001/12/19

On 19/12/2001 15:46, "Harry Ohlsen" <harryo@zip.com.au> wrote:

[#29036] Re: A Ruby programmer walked into a bar and ordered a Ruby-Thread — HarryO <harryo@...> 2001/12/19

On Thu, 20 Dec 2001 07:58:47 +1100, Dave Thomas wrote:

[#29038] Re: A Ruby programmer walked into a bar and ordered a Ruby-Thread — "Mark Hahn" <mchahn@...> 2001/12/20

[#29046] Re: A Ruby programmer walked into a bar and ordered a Ruby-Thread — Dave Thomas <Dave@...> 2001/12/20

"Mark Hahn" <mchahn@facelink.com> writes:

[#28926] Stream? — Ron Jeffries <ronjeffries@...>

Is there a memory stream object in Ruby, analogous to Smalltalk's

14 messages 2001/12/19

[#28977] overriding methods: (almost) a replacement for alias_method — Paul Brannan <paul@...>

I think almost all of us will agree that it's pretty ugly to do:

17 messages 2001/12/19

[#29014] But is it Fun? — edwardhatfield1@... (Edward Hatfield)

I've been watching Ruby with great interest over

19 messages 2001/12/19

[#29265] upper case to lower — "Bashar A. Asad" <baasad@...>

hello,

25 messages 2001/12/21

[#29296] XEmacs problems with ruby-mode.el

Hi,

17 messages 2001/12/22

[#29327] a better way? — Ron Jeffries <ronjeffries@...>

I was writing a little code that cached a function value, and wound up

38 messages 2001/12/23
[#29328] Re: a better way? — David Alan Black <dblack@...> 2001/12/23

Hi --

[#29331] Re: a better way? — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...> 2001/12/23

----- Original Message -----

[#29488] Python and Ruby: a comparison — Ron Stephens <rdsteph@...>

I initiated a thread over on comp.lang.python which has turned into

68 messages 2001/12/27
[#29677] Re: Python and Ruby: a comparison — Ron Stephens <rdsteph@...> 2001/12/30

Very interesting idea. Unfortunately, I doubt if it woudl be possible. For one

[#29696] Re: Python and Ruby: a comparison — "Conrad Schneiker" <schneiker@...> 2001/12/30

"Ron Stephens" <rdsteph@earthlink.net> wrote:

[#29869] Re: Python and Ruby: a comparison — Michael Kelly <mkelly2002NOSPAM@...> 2001/12/31

On Mon, 31 Dec 2001 12:26:46 +1100, Michael Lucas-Smith >Check out

[#29871] Re: Python and Ruby: a comparison — Dan Sugalski <dan@...> 2001/12/31

At 02:02 AM 1/1/2002 +0900, Michael Kelly wrote:

[#29541] New Rubygarden poll — Dave Thomas <Dave@...>

27 messages 2001/12/28

[#29545] RDoc now displays source — Dave Thomas <Dave@...>

17 messages 2001/12/28

[#29596] extending method of class A to support arguments of class B by promoting `self' to class B — Tomasz Wegrzanowski <taw@...>

(Names of classes chosen arbitrarily, just to show issue)

18 messages 2001/12/28

[#29613] Extending Ruby on Windows platform using VC++ IDE — "Alan Moyer" <moyer4@...>

Hi,

11 messages 2001/12/29

[#29667] Yet Another Newbie — Michael Kelly <mkelly2002NOSPAM@...>

Yet Another Newbie. :)

13 messages 2001/12/29

[#29713] Ruby parsers in Ruby — ptkwt@...1.aracnet.com (Phil Tomson)

Wouldn't it be cool to have Ruby playing with Parrot before Python or even

20 messages 2001/12/30

[#29773] Proc.class vs yield — Michael Lucas-Smith <s3225202@...>

Hi,

49 messages 2001/12/31
[#29782] Re: Proc.class vs yield — David Alan Black <dblack@...> 2001/12/31

Hello --

[#29795] Re: Proc.class vs yield — Michael Lucas-Smith <s3225202@...> 2001/12/31

def someThing (&a, &b)

[#29796] Re: Proc.class vs yield — David Alan Black <dblack@...> 2001/12/31

Hi --

[#29797] Re: Proc.class vs yield — Michael Lucas-Smith <s3225202@...> 2001/12/31

>

[#29802] Re: Proc.class vs yield — David Alan Black <dblack@...> 2001/12/31

Hi --

[#29849] Re: Proc.class vs yield — Michael Lucas-Smith <s3225202@...> 2001/12/31

That's a good solution, thanks.

[#29867] Re: Proc.class vs yield — David Alan Black <dblack@...> 2001/12/31

Hi --

[#29798] FXRuby FreeRIDE Spike uploaded. — Phlip <phlip_cpp@...>

Rubies:

14 messages 2001/12/31

[#29886] Ruby/Python: Software Engineering — noone <nanotech@...>

All:

36 messages 2001/12/31
[#29889] Re: Ruby/Python: Software Engineering — Tomasz Wegrzanowski <taw@...> 2001/12/31

On Tue, Jan 01, 2002 at 05:03:35AM +0900, noone wrote:

[#29904] Re: Ruby/Python: Software Engineering — noone <nanotech@...> 2001/12/31

Tomasz/All:

[#29887] RE: Ruby multi-dimensional Hash question?---Any one out there willing to give this questions a try? — "Crandall, Jeff W" <jeff.w.crandall@...>

Anyone? Is this the correct mailing list to try and get

18 messages 2001/12/31

[#29895] How to check free diskspace? — Le Wang <lewang@?.?.bigfoot.com (nospam)>

Hi all,

23 messages 2001/12/31

[ruby-talk:28500] A Review of "Ruby in a Nutshell" book

From: Johan Holmberg <holmberg@...>
Date: 2001-12-14 12:15:56 UTC
List: ruby-talk #28500
Hi !

An elegant language deserves an elegant book. This one isn't.

The book starts with a short description of the "Language Basics"
(31 pages). This is followed by the main part of the book (130 pages),
consisting of two chapters describing the classes and modules that is
part of the standard Ruby distribution. This is followed by two short
chapters called "Ruby Tools" and "Ruby Updates".

This organisation is quite OK, but I miss an index with all available
classes/modules. The "Contents" section at the beginning of the book
should have contained a list of the classes/modules, and what page to
find them on. And the classes are not sorted alphabetically either,
making it very hard to find them.

I also find it strange that the new methods since 1.6.5 hasn't been
incorporated in the normal text. They are now listed in the last chapter
("Ruby Updates"), without any explanation of what the methods do.

But the real problems with the book are of another sort.
I wonder if anyone has bothered to proof-read the text at all.
It is chock full of incorrect examples, and the English is often
difficult to read.

I started reading with high hopes: what could be better than a book
from the inventor of the language ? But I soon started to be
irritated by the numerous errors in the examples, and after a while
I switched "mental mode" and started to look for further errors. And
I found a lot .... Some examples:

   - on page 11, the example showing  here-documents has incorrect
     indentation. A bit ironic, since the point of one of the
     examples is to show allowed ways to indent here-documents.

   - On page 64 the method "Array.slice" is documented. But the
     example is for "String.slice!", i.e. wrong class and wrong method.

   - On page 75-76 examples for "IO::forech" and "IO.each_line" uses a
     variable "lib", that isn't defined anywhere. Should obviously
     have been "line".

   - the layout of code showing the syntax of the language is often
     poor. On page 22 for example, "def" is described. But the example
     is hard to read, due to lack of indentation, and minimal
     difference in "font appearance" between literal text and
     meta-variables.

   - on page 18 the description of "range operators" in conditionals
     is backwards. "left" and "right" should change places.
     Now it incorrectly says:

        "In conditionals they return true from the point right operand
         is true until left operand is true"

   - Often the fonts used in the text are inconsistently used.
     On page 31 the meta-variable "symbol" have different font in the
     different syntax examples. In other places there are lots of
     similar errors, for example upper/lower-case errors, etc .etc.

I could go on for quite a while describing similar defects. (I filled
two A4 sheets with notes while reading through the book yesterday)

The effect of all these things, is that I feel it is quite unpleasant
to read the text, and I don't trust the content (especially the
examples).

I think Ruby deserves better books.
(like the one from Thomas/Hunt: "Programming Ruby")

It's a mystery to me that O'Reilly publishes such a
poorly proof-read book.

I didn't want to write this, but I had to ....

/Johan Holmberg


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