[#281559] NTLM authentication with httpclient — Jim Clark <diegoslice@...>

I have rewritten my net/http script that I had questions on a couple of

11 messages 2007/12/01

[#281591] question about iterator — Paul Private <paulus4605@...>

dear

15 messages 2007/12/01

[#281603] Identifying a volume as being an iPod — John Joyce <dangerwillrobinsondanger@...>

Does anybody know how to identify a mounted volume as being an iPod ?

21 messages 2007/12/01

[#281612] Why are "Array#push" and "pop" not "push!" and "pop!"? — samppi <rbysamppi@...>

As a novice in Ruby, I love its elegance and consistence; it's now one

30 messages 2007/12/01

[#281653] irb and unix shells — Robert Jones <robertjones21@...>

Can you use irb in place of shells like bash or rc?

21 messages 2007/12/02

[#281779] What are the differences between c++ and Ruby? — "duddilla's" <radhika.duddilla@...>

Hi

13 messages 2007/12/03

[#281810] Everyone's favorite flow control: retry — Charles Oliver Nutter <charles.nutter@...>

Today I was thinking about retry support in JRuby, and figured we've

18 messages 2007/12/03

[#281917] What is the best way to interact with a JDBC database — Venks <venkatesh.mantha@...>

Hi,

14 messages 2007/12/03

[#281965] Rubyisms wanted to shorten code in search program — RichardOnRails <RichardDummyMailbox58407@...>

Hi,

10 messages 2007/12/04

[#282099] Re: Ruby App Distribution — Joe L <superist_joe@...>

I don't see how RubyScript2Exe would work when it's a virtual machine. Would it package the entire virtual machine inside the exe?

12 messages 2007/12/04
[#282102] Re: Ruby App Distribution — "Adam Shelly" <adam.shelly@...> 2007/12/04

On 12/4/07, Joe L <superist_joe@yahoo.com> wrote:

[#282100] I consider this a bug in Ruby... — "Just Another Victim of the Ambient Morality" <ihatespam@...>

I would like to know why the following code doesn't work:

14 messages 2007/12/04

[#282123] Ruby works but not JRuby - when using MySQL Driver — Venks <venkatesh.mantha@...>

Here is the simple Ruby program that works with "Ruby" but gives an

10 messages 2007/12/05

[#282276] Worth an RCR? static_type_check, polymorphic_type_check, quacks_like — John Carter <john.carter@...>

Is there another library like this? I would love it if it were just

17 messages 2007/12/05

[#282277] Capturing STDOUT from a system call (POSIX) into an array — Venks <venkatesh.mantha@...>

What's the best way to capture STDOUT into an Array? I looked at

12 messages 2007/12/05

[#282340] if /hello/ =~line — Peter Loftus <loftuz@...>

Got help with this code earlier its just checking a file for a line

12 messages 2007/12/06

[#282373] function like "function_exits" — Girard Fred <fred.girard@...>

Hi all,

14 messages 2007/12/06

[#282374] regular expression. newbie problem. — Johnathan Smith <stu_09@...>

Hi,

15 messages 2007/12/06
[#282378] Re: regular expression. newbie problem. — Reacher <brandon.g.jones@...> 2007/12/06

On Dec 6, 9:42 am, Johnathan Smith <stu...@hotmail.com> wrote:

[#282413] array iterator that have more arrays that also need iteratio — Raimon Fs <coder@...>

Hello ...

14 messages 2007/12/06
[#282415] Re: array iterator that have more arrays that also need iteratio — Xavier Noria <fxn@...> 2007/12/06

On Dec 6, 2007, at 8:25 PM, Raimon Fs wrote:

[#282447] search-0.0.1 — "ara.t.howard" <ara.t.howard@...>

14 messages 2007/12/06

[#282501] Dynamic local vars — Vasyl Smirnov <vasyl.smirnov@...>

Hi,

14 messages 2007/12/07

[#282605] Word Loop (#149) — Ruby Quiz <james@...>

The three rules of Ruby Quiz:

49 messages 2007/12/07

[#282633] Problem with Hash of Arrays — Jimi Damon <jdamon@...>

I am new to Ruby , but I consider this feature to be a bug.

15 messages 2007/12/07

[#282673] ruby certification — dare ruby <martin@...>

Dear friends,

41 messages 2007/12/08
[#282695] Re: ruby certification — "Austin Ziegler" <halostatue@...> 2007/12/08

On 12/8/07, dare ruby <martin@angleritech.com> wrote:

[#282696] Re: ruby certification — John Joyce <dangerwillrobinsondanger@...> 2007/12/08

Oh, come on.

[#282703] Re: ruby certification — Gregory Seidman <gsslist+ruby@...> 2007/12/08

On Sat, Dec 08, 2007 at 11:25:59PM +0900, John Joyce wrote:

[#282762] Re: ruby certification — Jim Clark <diegoslice@...> 2007/12/09

Gregory Seidman wrote:

[#282779] Re: ruby certification — "Austin Ziegler" <halostatue@...> 2007/12/09

On 12/9/07, Jim Clark <diegoslice@gmail.com> wrote:

[#282942] Re: ruby certification — Jim Clark <diegoslice@...> 2007/12/10

Austin Ziegler wrote:

[#282962] Re: ruby certification — "Todd Benson" <caduceass@...> 2007/12/10

On Dec 10, 2007 12:28 PM, Jim Clark <diegoslice@gmail.com> wrote:

[#282971] Re: ruby certification — "Austin Ziegler" <halostatue@...> 2007/12/10

On 12/10/07, Todd Benson <caduceass@gmail.com> wrote:

[#282684] Looking for a new web framework. — "Tim Uckun" <timuckun@...>

I am looking for a web framework designed to handle multiple domains

16 messages 2007/12/08
[#282752] Re: Looking for a new web framework. — "Mikel Lindsaar" <raasdnil@...> 2007/12/09

Go get Mephisto and put it on rails. Can handle multiple domains, with

[#282748] How much would variable declarations in Ruby make you wince? — "Just Another Victim of the Ambient Morality" <ihatespam@...>

So, I had a conversation with a colleague of mine and he brought up a

60 messages 2007/12/09

[#282822] Confirm My Ruby/GUI investigation? — Wesley Rishel <wes.rishel@...>

I have been reviewing the copious old threads (and the various cited web

14 messages 2007/12/09

[#282995] REXml help - Insert newlines into large xml file — Sean Nakasone <seannakasone@...>

Hello, I have a large xml file that does not have any newlines in it. Can

10 messages 2007/12/11

[#283063] While statements in ruby — Mark Mr <pimea.mark@...>

Hi guys, I have a probably simple question. I dont know how to do

13 messages 2007/12/11

[#283079] opposite .nil? — "Andrew Stone" <stonelists@...>

I've looked around, but could not find a method that is the opposite of

16 messages 2007/12/11

[#283128] How To Avoid Ugly Declerations — Michael Boutros <me@...>

Hello! More and more I find myself having to do something like this:

13 messages 2007/12/12

[#283243] Connecting to Outlook 'Saved Items' folder using win32ole — Alex DeCaria <alex.decaria@...>

Can anyone tell me how to connect to the 'Saved Items' folder in Outlook

11 messages 2007/12/12

[#283396] Showing Running Processes in variable — jackster the jackle <contact@...>

I want to capture the list of running processes on my computer. I am to

13 messages 2007/12/13

[#283432] Newbie Question: What is a class for? — Matthias Borgeson <hibridmatthais@...>

Hello all-

11 messages 2007/12/13

[#283446] Third edition of "Programming Ruby" now in beta — Dave Thomas <dave@...>

Ruby 1.9 is just around the corner, so it looks like a good time to =20

10 messages 2007/12/13

[#283530] Programmer Ping-Pong (#150) — Ruby Quiz <james@...>

The three rules of Ruby Quiz:

43 messages 2007/12/14
[#283538] Re: [QUIZ] Programmer Ping-Pong (#150) — Paul Irofti <bulibuta@...> 2007/12/14

On 2007-12-14, Ruby Quiz <james@grayproductions.net> wrote:

[#283545] Good Ruby IDE for Debian Linux? — "Steckly, Ron" <rsteckly@...>

Hi all,

19 messages 2007/12/14

[#283574] simple way to turn "foo and bar" to "+foo +bar" — Max Williams <toastkid.williams@...>

I want to add a slightly hacky feature into my boolean mysql search

11 messages 2007/12/14

[#283673] Smallest device to code ruby on? — Casimir P <pikselNOSPAMMi@...>

Whats the smallest gadget you can code (and compile) ruby on?

25 messages 2007/12/15

[#283708] autoindenting ruby — "Martin DeMello" <martindemello@...>

Something most of the "IDE roundup" threads seem to pass over lightly

12 messages 2007/12/15

[#283753] Backslashes in Command Line Arguments — Joseph Pecoraro <joepeck02@...>

In writing a script that takes strings on the command line I have run

13 messages 2007/12/16

[#283811] teams -> members -> users — John Griffiths <indiehead@...>

trying to work this out, giving me a headache,

11 messages 2007/12/16

[#283870] Is there any way to pass further the "hidden" block? — "Chiyuan Zhang" <pluskid@...>

Like this:

13 messages 2007/12/17

[#283917] dividing by two and rounding up — Tom Norian <tomnorian@...>

Hey all...I am hoping for a tip

16 messages 2007/12/17

[#283970] Best compiled language for extending Ruby — Sharkie Landshark <shark.fin.soup@...>

I want to write my core logics in a compiled language for 1) performance

26 messages 2007/12/18

[#284001] String#[] behaviour — DNNX <6aLLIaPuMoB@...>

'asd'[0...10] returns 'asd' while 'asd'[-10..-1] returns nil.

14 messages 2007/12/18

[#284037] New to ruby — bigbrother <Cowboyninja@...>

Hey guys, I'm pretty new to ruby. I've got a question

15 messages 2007/12/18

[#284038] Check if directory exists — Florian Schaf <flo.schaf@...>

hi!

13 messages 2007/12/18

[#284082] Hpricot syntax different from Xpath ? — Celine <xhanrot@...>

Hi all

14 messages 2007/12/18

[#284215] best way to distribute? — Pavel Pvl <pavel989@...>

hi, what is the best way to distribute ruby apps without having the end

23 messages 2007/12/19

[#284268] RubyGems 1.0.0 — Eric Hodel <drbrain@...7.net>

Release 1.0.0 fixes several bugs.

24 messages 2007/12/20
[#284328] Re: [ANN] RubyGems 1.0.0 — Jim Morris <ml@...4net.com> 2007/12/20

After trying to install both from the source and from gem update --system

[#284363] RubyGems 1.0.1 — Eric Hodel <drbrain@...7.net>

= Announce: RubyGems Release 1.0.1

12 messages 2007/12/21

[#284462] Matz says namespaces are too hard to implement - why? — Stefan Rusterholz <apeiros@...>

Short primer: What are namespaces?

40 messages 2007/12/22
[#284478] Re: Matz says namespaces are too hard to implement - why? — Robert Klemme <shortcutter@...> 2007/12/22

On 22.12.2007 04:18, Stefan Rusterholz wrote:

[#284479] Re: Matz says namespaces are too hard to implement - why? — Charles Oliver Nutter <charles.nutter@...> 2007/12/22

Robert Klemme wrote:

[#284486] Re: Matz says namespaces are too hard to implement - why? — Stefan Rusterholz <apeiros@...> 2007/12/22

> Or perhaps, the various implementers will be able to answer this

[#284488] Re: Matz says namespaces are too hard to implement - why? — Charles Oliver Nutter <charles.nutter@...> 2007/12/22

Stefan Rusterholz wrote:

[#284491] Re: Matz says namespaces are too hard to implement - why? — Stefan Rusterholz <apeiros@...> 2007/12/22

Charles Oliver Nutter wrote:

[#284493] Re: Matz says namespaces are too hard to implement - why? — Charles Oliver Nutter <charles.nutter@...> 2007/12/22

Stefan Rusterholz wrote:

[#284494] Re: Matz says namespaces are too hard to implement - why? — Stefan Rusterholz <apeiros@...> 2007/12/22

Charles Oliver Nutter wrote:

[#285031] Re: Matz says namespaces are too hard to implement - why? — "Eivind Eklund" <eeklund@...> 2007/12/27

On Dec 22, 2007 4:22 PM, Charles Oliver Nutter <charles.nutter@sun.com> wrote:

[#285115] Re: Matz says namespaces are too hard to implement - why? — Charles Oliver Nutter <charles.nutter@...> 2007/12/28

Eivind Eklund wrote:

[#284644] C++ Functors and Ruby extensions — "Jason Roelofs" <jameskilton@...>

I wonder if anyone has tried to do what I'm doing and if they've come up

10 messages 2007/12/24

[#284651] Trouble with Readline and Building Ruby 1.9 — "James Herdman" <james.herdman@...>

I'm having a little trouble building Ruby 1.9. I'm building on

14 messages 2007/12/24

[#284720] Ruby 1.9.0 is released — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...>

Hi,

54 messages 2007/12/25
[#284729] Re: Ruby 1.9.0 is released — Rk Ch <rollingwoods@...> 2007/12/25

Great christmas gift! Thanks for guys hard worked.

[#284786] Re: Ruby 1.9.0 is released — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2007/12/26

Hi,

[#284800] Re: Ruby 1.9.0 is released — "Jeremy McAnally" <jeremymcanally@...> 2007/12/26

Could you point out some areas that are in dire need of documentation?

[#284731] OT: Polyglot programming article? — Jay Levitt <jay+news@...>

About three or four months ago, I ran across a great article/blog post

10 messages 2007/12/25

[#284772] qt4 bindings, threads — "daniel 虧erud" <daniel.akerud@...>

I couldn't find a mailinglist for the Qt4 Ruby bindings, so I try here. It

11 messages 2007/12/25

[#284867] Destroying an Object — Ken Awamura <ken.awamura@...>

Suppose I create a new object:

19 messages 2007/12/26

[#284894] Purpose of Ruby 1.9? — "=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Rados=B3aw_Bu=B3at?=" <radek.bulat@...>

First of all I want to thank Matz and Ko1 for yours great work! I

26 messages 2007/12/26
[#284896] Re: Purpose of Ruby 1.9? — "Luiz Vitor Martinez Cardoso" <grabber@...> 2007/12/26

WW91IGFyZSBhc2tpbmcgdmVyeSB1c2VmdWxsIHF1ZXN0aW9ucyEgV2VsbC4uLiB3ZSBuZWVkIHdh

[#284905] Re: Purpose of Ruby 1.9? — "Windham, Kristopher R." <kriswindham@...> 2007/12/26

in the Desktop reference by Matz, printed in 2002,

[#284906] Re: Purpose of Ruby 1.9? — "Rick DeNatale" <rick.denatale@...> 2007/12/26

On Dec 26, 2007 5:39 PM, Windham, Kristopher R. <kriswindham@gmail.com> wrote:

[#284918] convert excel spreadsheet to csv — Junkone <junkone1@...>

is there any library to convert excel file to csv.

12 messages 2007/12/27

[#284923] Re: using reg expr with array.index — MonkeeSage <MonkeeSage@...>

On Dec 26, 4:32 pm, Esmail <ebonak_de...@hotmail.com> wrote:

12 messages 2007/12/27

[#284960] Add Array#first= and Array#last= to std lib — "Robert Klemme" <shortcutter@...>

Hi,

35 messages 2007/12/27

[#284980] about method docs — Santanu <thisissantanu@...>

Hello Everybody,

16 messages 2007/12/27

[#285003] Port Ruby on Rails Application — Snoop1990 Snoop1990 <snoopy1990@...>

Hello,

15 messages 2007/12/27

[#285118] testing for 64-bit environment — Tom Metge <tom@...>

subject says it all- anyone know a way to determine if the host system

12 messages 2007/12/28

[#285223] How to jump over the first line in a file? (newbie) — Mark Toth <mark.toth@...>

I have this code:

14 messages 2007/12/28

[#285294] Using "sort!" in a C extension (1.9 problem) — Andre Nathan <andre@...>

Hello

23 messages 2007/12/29
[#285349] Re: Using "sort!" in a C extension (1.9 problem) — "KUBO Takehiro" <kubo@...> 2007/12/30

Hi,

[#285300] Mr Bones - 1.1.0 — "Tim Pease" <tim.pease@...>

Bones

17 messages 2007/12/29

[#285315] Can Ruby be a keylogger on Win/Mac? — Jay Levitt <jay+news@...>

I know the subject's vague; that's because I don't know what I'm talking

14 messages 2007/12/29

[#285475] Best way to download >1GB files — thefed <fedzor@...>

What is the best way to download files from the internet (HTTP) that

19 messages 2007/12/31

Re: ruby certification

From: Gregory Seidman <gsslist+ruby@...>
Date: 2007-12-11 15:17:19 UTC
List: ruby-talk #283051
On Tue, Dec 11, 2007 at 03:59:32PM +0900, Chad Perrin wrote:
[...]
> I tend to agree, to some extent at least.  I'm surprised, though, that
> you didn't address the matter of how a CS degree is characterized here.
> Computer Science degrees are not supposed to indicate a basic ability to
> program -- computer science as a field is something else entirely.  It is
> as though everyone expects a CS degree to be the definitive programming
> certification.  Of course, because that's how it is treated in the job
> market, schools have started chasing that in how they structure their CS
> degree programs, with the end result that they end up being about as
> worthless as vendor-driven certifications.  Oh, sure, they make you
> *look* good, but they don't make you *actually* good, at least judging by
> the results I've seen.
> 
> It seems most CS degree programs are just (really long, really expensive)
> Java certification courses, these days.
[...]
> Sadly, degrees are much the same -- but there's probably less than one
> hundredth of one percent of employers out there that realize this.  I
> learned a lot in college -- but mostly in two specific ways:
> 
>   1. pursuing knowledge on my own time
> 
>   2. sticking with a good instructor for future classes, even if they're
>   outside my chosen degree program
> 
> The end result is that I didn't learn all that much from the classes I
> needed for the degrees I pursued, even when I was getting As on
> everything.  Learning is something you do, not something you receive.

A CS degree does not say a whole lot, other than an ability to at least
tolerate an undergraduate education. A CS degree from a school with a known
reputation says a lot more.

An ideal CS program does not teach programming beyond the first year. It
requires programming, but it teaches problem solving within the context of
software (and maybe hardware) development. One should come out of a CS
program familiar with a body of knowledge involving numerous problem
solving approaches, including languages, algorithms, data structures,
architectures, approximations, strategies, design patterns/idioms, etc.,
and their tradeoffs. One should also have the ability to analyze the
relative suitability of various solutions (from an algorithmic analysis
perspective as well as time/memory/power/accuracy tradeoffs). Recognizing
problems as those one already knows how to solve (or can be proven
intractable) is pretty important, too.

Programming is a means to an end here. It is the practice of the various
skills listed above. It is also part of the learning experience. (Sure, you
can learn the theory of preemptive multitasking and concurrent processes,
but you understand it a lot better if you've implemented a semaphore in
assembly.) I learned to program well before college, and used (and
improved) that programming skill throughout college, but I didn't get
really good until I had to TA a software engineering course in grad school.
In college I managed to implement a preemptive multitasking OS on top of
DOS, a web-based DB-backed app (in 1994, before we had these nice
frameworks, in C, which sucked), an ATM (not the bank kind) networking
simulator, a version of Eliza (in ML), a raytracer (in C++), a parser (with
lex/yacc, though I can't remember the details now), and others I can't
bring to mind at the moment, as part of my coursework. Those projects
weren't about programming, they were about problem solving.

I'm not going to claim my undergrad education was perfect (for example, I
shamefully avoided the compilers course), but it did teach me how to solve
problems with software. That's what I do professionally, whether it's in
Ruby or some other language (as it has been and as it will be). I'll grant
you that a CS *degree* is no guarantee of a CS *education*, though. (Also,
for those of you who did not get a CS degree, the lack of a degree is no
guarantee of a lack of a CS education, either.)

> CCD CopyWrite Chad Perrin [ http://ccd.apotheon.org ]
--Greg


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