[#281559] NTLM authentication with httpclient — Jim Clark <diegoslice@...>

I have rewritten my net/http script that I had questions on a couple of

11 messages 2007/12/01

[#281591] question about iterator — Paul Private <paulus4605@...>

dear

15 messages 2007/12/01

[#281603] Identifying a volume as being an iPod — John Joyce <dangerwillrobinsondanger@...>

Does anybody know how to identify a mounted volume as being an iPod ?

21 messages 2007/12/01

[#281612] Why are "Array#push" and "pop" not "push!" and "pop!"? — samppi <rbysamppi@...>

As a novice in Ruby, I love its elegance and consistence; it's now one

30 messages 2007/12/01

[#281653] irb and unix shells — Robert Jones <robertjones21@...>

Can you use irb in place of shells like bash or rc?

21 messages 2007/12/02

[#281779] What are the differences between c++ and Ruby? — "duddilla's" <radhika.duddilla@...>

Hi

13 messages 2007/12/03

[#281810] Everyone's favorite flow control: retry — Charles Oliver Nutter <charles.nutter@...>

Today I was thinking about retry support in JRuby, and figured we've

18 messages 2007/12/03

[#281917] What is the best way to interact with a JDBC database — Venks <venkatesh.mantha@...>

Hi,

14 messages 2007/12/03

[#281965] Rubyisms wanted to shorten code in search program — RichardOnRails <RichardDummyMailbox58407@...>

Hi,

10 messages 2007/12/04

[#282099] Re: Ruby App Distribution — Joe L <superist_joe@...>

I don't see how RubyScript2Exe would work when it's a virtual machine. Would it package the entire virtual machine inside the exe?

12 messages 2007/12/04
[#282102] Re: Ruby App Distribution — "Adam Shelly" <adam.shelly@...> 2007/12/04

On 12/4/07, Joe L <superist_joe@yahoo.com> wrote:

[#282100] I consider this a bug in Ruby... — "Just Another Victim of the Ambient Morality" <ihatespam@...>

I would like to know why the following code doesn't work:

14 messages 2007/12/04

[#282123] Ruby works but not JRuby - when using MySQL Driver — Venks <venkatesh.mantha@...>

Here is the simple Ruby program that works with "Ruby" but gives an

10 messages 2007/12/05

[#282276] Worth an RCR? static_type_check, polymorphic_type_check, quacks_like — John Carter <john.carter@...>

Is there another library like this? I would love it if it were just

17 messages 2007/12/05

[#282277] Capturing STDOUT from a system call (POSIX) into an array — Venks <venkatesh.mantha@...>

What's the best way to capture STDOUT into an Array? I looked at

12 messages 2007/12/05

[#282340] if /hello/ =~line — Peter Loftus <loftuz@...>

Got help with this code earlier its just checking a file for a line

12 messages 2007/12/06

[#282373] function like "function_exits" — Girard Fred <fred.girard@...>

Hi all,

14 messages 2007/12/06

[#282374] regular expression. newbie problem. — Johnathan Smith <stu_09@...>

Hi,

15 messages 2007/12/06
[#282378] Re: regular expression. newbie problem. — Reacher <brandon.g.jones@...> 2007/12/06

On Dec 6, 9:42 am, Johnathan Smith <stu...@hotmail.com> wrote:

[#282413] array iterator that have more arrays that also need iteratio — Raimon Fs <coder@...>

Hello ...

14 messages 2007/12/06
[#282415] Re: array iterator that have more arrays that also need iteratio — Xavier Noria <fxn@...> 2007/12/06

On Dec 6, 2007, at 8:25 PM, Raimon Fs wrote:

[#282447] search-0.0.1 — "ara.t.howard" <ara.t.howard@...>

14 messages 2007/12/06

[#282501] Dynamic local vars — Vasyl Smirnov <vasyl.smirnov@...>

Hi,

14 messages 2007/12/07

[#282605] Word Loop (#149) — Ruby Quiz <james@...>

The three rules of Ruby Quiz:

49 messages 2007/12/07

[#282633] Problem with Hash of Arrays — Jimi Damon <jdamon@...>

I am new to Ruby , but I consider this feature to be a bug.

15 messages 2007/12/07

[#282673] ruby certification — dare ruby <martin@...>

Dear friends,

41 messages 2007/12/08
[#282695] Re: ruby certification — "Austin Ziegler" <halostatue@...> 2007/12/08

On 12/8/07, dare ruby <martin@angleritech.com> wrote:

[#282696] Re: ruby certification — John Joyce <dangerwillrobinsondanger@...> 2007/12/08

Oh, come on.

[#282703] Re: ruby certification — Gregory Seidman <gsslist+ruby@...> 2007/12/08

On Sat, Dec 08, 2007 at 11:25:59PM +0900, John Joyce wrote:

[#282762] Re: ruby certification — Jim Clark <diegoslice@...> 2007/12/09

Gregory Seidman wrote:

[#282779] Re: ruby certification — "Austin Ziegler" <halostatue@...> 2007/12/09

On 12/9/07, Jim Clark <diegoslice@gmail.com> wrote:

[#282942] Re: ruby certification — Jim Clark <diegoslice@...> 2007/12/10

Austin Ziegler wrote:

[#282962] Re: ruby certification — "Todd Benson" <caduceass@...> 2007/12/10

On Dec 10, 2007 12:28 PM, Jim Clark <diegoslice@gmail.com> wrote:

[#282971] Re: ruby certification — "Austin Ziegler" <halostatue@...> 2007/12/10

On 12/10/07, Todd Benson <caduceass@gmail.com> wrote:

[#282684] Looking for a new web framework. — "Tim Uckun" <timuckun@...>

I am looking for a web framework designed to handle multiple domains

16 messages 2007/12/08
[#282752] Re: Looking for a new web framework. — "Mikel Lindsaar" <raasdnil@...> 2007/12/09

Go get Mephisto and put it on rails. Can handle multiple domains, with

[#282748] How much would variable declarations in Ruby make you wince? — "Just Another Victim of the Ambient Morality" <ihatespam@...>

So, I had a conversation with a colleague of mine and he brought up a

60 messages 2007/12/09

[#282822] Confirm My Ruby/GUI investigation? — Wesley Rishel <wes.rishel@...>

I have been reviewing the copious old threads (and the various cited web

14 messages 2007/12/09

[#282995] REXml help - Insert newlines into large xml file — Sean Nakasone <seannakasone@...>

Hello, I have a large xml file that does not have any newlines in it. Can

10 messages 2007/12/11

[#283063] While statements in ruby — Mark Mr <pimea.mark@...>

Hi guys, I have a probably simple question. I dont know how to do

13 messages 2007/12/11

[#283079] opposite .nil? — "Andrew Stone" <stonelists@...>

I've looked around, but could not find a method that is the opposite of

16 messages 2007/12/11

[#283128] How To Avoid Ugly Declerations — Michael Boutros <me@...>

Hello! More and more I find myself having to do something like this:

13 messages 2007/12/12

[#283243] Connecting to Outlook 'Saved Items' folder using win32ole — Alex DeCaria <alex.decaria@...>

Can anyone tell me how to connect to the 'Saved Items' folder in Outlook

11 messages 2007/12/12

[#283396] Showing Running Processes in variable — jackster the jackle <contact@...>

I want to capture the list of running processes on my computer. I am to

13 messages 2007/12/13

[#283432] Newbie Question: What is a class for? — Matthias Borgeson <hibridmatthais@...>

Hello all-

11 messages 2007/12/13

[#283446] Third edition of "Programming Ruby" now in beta — Dave Thomas <dave@...>

Ruby 1.9 is just around the corner, so it looks like a good time to =20

10 messages 2007/12/13

[#283530] Programmer Ping-Pong (#150) — Ruby Quiz <james@...>

The three rules of Ruby Quiz:

43 messages 2007/12/14
[#283538] Re: [QUIZ] Programmer Ping-Pong (#150) — Paul Irofti <bulibuta@...> 2007/12/14

On 2007-12-14, Ruby Quiz <james@grayproductions.net> wrote:

[#283545] Good Ruby IDE for Debian Linux? — "Steckly, Ron" <rsteckly@...>

Hi all,

19 messages 2007/12/14

[#283574] simple way to turn "foo and bar" to "+foo +bar" — Max Williams <toastkid.williams@...>

I want to add a slightly hacky feature into my boolean mysql search

11 messages 2007/12/14

[#283673] Smallest device to code ruby on? — Casimir P <pikselNOSPAMMi@...>

Whats the smallest gadget you can code (and compile) ruby on?

25 messages 2007/12/15

[#283708] autoindenting ruby — "Martin DeMello" <martindemello@...>

Something most of the "IDE roundup" threads seem to pass over lightly

12 messages 2007/12/15

[#283753] Backslashes in Command Line Arguments — Joseph Pecoraro <joepeck02@...>

In writing a script that takes strings on the command line I have run

13 messages 2007/12/16

[#283811] teams -> members -> users — John Griffiths <indiehead@...>

trying to work this out, giving me a headache,

11 messages 2007/12/16

[#283870] Is there any way to pass further the "hidden" block? — "Chiyuan Zhang" <pluskid@...>

Like this:

13 messages 2007/12/17

[#283917] dividing by two and rounding up — Tom Norian <tomnorian@...>

Hey all...I am hoping for a tip

16 messages 2007/12/17

[#283970] Best compiled language for extending Ruby — Sharkie Landshark <shark.fin.soup@...>

I want to write my core logics in a compiled language for 1) performance

26 messages 2007/12/18

[#284001] String#[] behaviour — DNNX <6aLLIaPuMoB@...>

'asd'[0...10] returns 'asd' while 'asd'[-10..-1] returns nil.

14 messages 2007/12/18

[#284037] New to ruby — bigbrother <Cowboyninja@...>

Hey guys, I'm pretty new to ruby. I've got a question

15 messages 2007/12/18

[#284038] Check if directory exists — Florian Schaf <flo.schaf@...>

hi!

13 messages 2007/12/18

[#284082] Hpricot syntax different from Xpath ? — Celine <xhanrot@...>

Hi all

14 messages 2007/12/18

[#284215] best way to distribute? — Pavel Pvl <pavel989@...>

hi, what is the best way to distribute ruby apps without having the end

23 messages 2007/12/19

[#284268] RubyGems 1.0.0 — Eric Hodel <drbrain@...7.net>

Release 1.0.0 fixes several bugs.

24 messages 2007/12/20
[#284328] Re: [ANN] RubyGems 1.0.0 — Jim Morris <ml@...4net.com> 2007/12/20

After trying to install both from the source and from gem update --system

[#284363] RubyGems 1.0.1 — Eric Hodel <drbrain@...7.net>

= Announce: RubyGems Release 1.0.1

12 messages 2007/12/21

[#284462] Matz says namespaces are too hard to implement - why? — Stefan Rusterholz <apeiros@...>

Short primer: What are namespaces?

40 messages 2007/12/22
[#284478] Re: Matz says namespaces are too hard to implement - why? — Robert Klemme <shortcutter@...> 2007/12/22

On 22.12.2007 04:18, Stefan Rusterholz wrote:

[#284479] Re: Matz says namespaces are too hard to implement - why? — Charles Oliver Nutter <charles.nutter@...> 2007/12/22

Robert Klemme wrote:

[#284486] Re: Matz says namespaces are too hard to implement - why? — Stefan Rusterholz <apeiros@...> 2007/12/22

> Or perhaps, the various implementers will be able to answer this

[#284488] Re: Matz says namespaces are too hard to implement - why? — Charles Oliver Nutter <charles.nutter@...> 2007/12/22

Stefan Rusterholz wrote:

[#284491] Re: Matz says namespaces are too hard to implement - why? — Stefan Rusterholz <apeiros@...> 2007/12/22

Charles Oliver Nutter wrote:

[#284493] Re: Matz says namespaces are too hard to implement - why? — Charles Oliver Nutter <charles.nutter@...> 2007/12/22

Stefan Rusterholz wrote:

[#284494] Re: Matz says namespaces are too hard to implement - why? — Stefan Rusterholz <apeiros@...> 2007/12/22

Charles Oliver Nutter wrote:

[#285031] Re: Matz says namespaces are too hard to implement - why? — "Eivind Eklund" <eeklund@...> 2007/12/27

On Dec 22, 2007 4:22 PM, Charles Oliver Nutter <charles.nutter@sun.com> wrote:

[#285115] Re: Matz says namespaces are too hard to implement - why? — Charles Oliver Nutter <charles.nutter@...> 2007/12/28

Eivind Eklund wrote:

[#284644] C++ Functors and Ruby extensions — "Jason Roelofs" <jameskilton@...>

I wonder if anyone has tried to do what I'm doing and if they've come up

10 messages 2007/12/24

[#284651] Trouble with Readline and Building Ruby 1.9 — "James Herdman" <james.herdman@...>

I'm having a little trouble building Ruby 1.9. I'm building on

14 messages 2007/12/24

[#284720] Ruby 1.9.0 is released — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...>

Hi,

54 messages 2007/12/25
[#284729] Re: Ruby 1.9.0 is released — Rk Ch <rollingwoods@...> 2007/12/25

Great christmas gift! Thanks for guys hard worked.

[#284786] Re: Ruby 1.9.0 is released — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2007/12/26

Hi,

[#284800] Re: Ruby 1.9.0 is released — "Jeremy McAnally" <jeremymcanally@...> 2007/12/26

Could you point out some areas that are in dire need of documentation?

[#284731] OT: Polyglot programming article? — Jay Levitt <jay+news@...>

About three or four months ago, I ran across a great article/blog post

10 messages 2007/12/25

[#284772] qt4 bindings, threads — "daniel 虧erud" <daniel.akerud@...>

I couldn't find a mailinglist for the Qt4 Ruby bindings, so I try here. It

11 messages 2007/12/25

[#284867] Destroying an Object — Ken Awamura <ken.awamura@...>

Suppose I create a new object:

19 messages 2007/12/26

[#284894] Purpose of Ruby 1.9? — "=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Rados=B3aw_Bu=B3at?=" <radek.bulat@...>

First of all I want to thank Matz and Ko1 for yours great work! I

26 messages 2007/12/26
[#284896] Re: Purpose of Ruby 1.9? — "Luiz Vitor Martinez Cardoso" <grabber@...> 2007/12/26

WW91IGFyZSBhc2tpbmcgdmVyeSB1c2VmdWxsIHF1ZXN0aW9ucyEgV2VsbC4uLiB3ZSBuZWVkIHdh

[#284905] Re: Purpose of Ruby 1.9? — "Windham, Kristopher R." <kriswindham@...> 2007/12/26

in the Desktop reference by Matz, printed in 2002,

[#284906] Re: Purpose of Ruby 1.9? — "Rick DeNatale" <rick.denatale@...> 2007/12/26

On Dec 26, 2007 5:39 PM, Windham, Kristopher R. <kriswindham@gmail.com> wrote:

[#284918] convert excel spreadsheet to csv — Junkone <junkone1@...>

is there any library to convert excel file to csv.

12 messages 2007/12/27

[#284923] Re: using reg expr with array.index — MonkeeSage <MonkeeSage@...>

On Dec 26, 4:32 pm, Esmail <ebonak_de...@hotmail.com> wrote:

12 messages 2007/12/27

[#284960] Add Array#first= and Array#last= to std lib — "Robert Klemme" <shortcutter@...>

Hi,

35 messages 2007/12/27

[#284980] about method docs — Santanu <thisissantanu@...>

Hello Everybody,

16 messages 2007/12/27

[#285003] Port Ruby on Rails Application — Snoop1990 Snoop1990 <snoopy1990@...>

Hello,

15 messages 2007/12/27

[#285118] testing for 64-bit environment — Tom Metge <tom@...>

subject says it all- anyone know a way to determine if the host system

12 messages 2007/12/28

[#285223] How to jump over the first line in a file? (newbie) — Mark Toth <mark.toth@...>

I have this code:

14 messages 2007/12/28

[#285294] Using "sort!" in a C extension (1.9 problem) — Andre Nathan <andre@...>

Hello

23 messages 2007/12/29
[#285349] Re: Using "sort!" in a C extension (1.9 problem) — "KUBO Takehiro" <kubo@...> 2007/12/30

Hi,

[#285300] Mr Bones - 1.1.0 — "Tim Pease" <tim.pease@...>

Bones

17 messages 2007/12/29

[#285315] Can Ruby be a keylogger on Win/Mac? — Jay Levitt <jay+news@...>

I know the subject's vague; that's because I don't know what I'm talking

14 messages 2007/12/29

[#285475] Best way to download >1GB files — thefed <fedzor@...>

What is the best way to download files from the internet (HTTP) that

19 messages 2007/12/31

Re: ruby certification

From: Mark Woodward <markonlinux@...>
Date: 2007-12-11 10:55:00 UTC
List: ruby-talk #283025
On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 01:59:32 -0500
Chad Perrin <perrin@apotheon.com> wrote:


> I tend to agree, to some extent at least.  I'm surprised, though, that
> you didn't address the matter of how a CS degree is characterized
> here. Computer Science degrees are not supposed to indicate a basic
> ability to program -- computer science as a field is something else
> entirely.  It is as though everyone expects a CS degree to be the
> definitive programming certification.  Of course, because that's how
> it is treated in the job market, schools have started chasing that in
> how they structure their CS degree programs, with the end result that
> they end up being about as worthless as vendor-driven
> certifications.  Oh, sure, they make you *look* good, but they don't
> make you *actually* good, at least judging by the results I've seen.
> 
> It seems most CS degree programs are just (really long, really
> expensive) Java certification courses, these days.

OK, I'll bite ;-)
As someone who has just completed a degree I'm afraid I'll have to
agree with you Chad. I look back on what I've actually learnt over the
past 10 years (that right! 10. I've been doing it part time through
distance education as well as getting married, having 2 kids, 3 jobs, 2
states, 3 houses...) and if I had to summarize I'd say it taught me a
little about many things, but not a lot of anything in particular!

Interviewer: "What can you tell me about the OSI?"
Me: "Open Systems Interconnect, 7 layers, blah blah"
Interviewer: "Good"
Interviewer: "Have you ever administered a network before?"
Me: "ar.. no"
Interviewer: "mmm"

Interviewer: "What's OOP"
Me: "Object Oriented Programming, classes, instances, inheritance,
polymorphism... ramble, ramble, ramble"
Interviewer: "What projects have you worked on that involved OOP?"
Me: "um .. none"
Interviewer: "mmm"

Interviewer: "What languages have you used?"
Me: "Java/J2EE, Perl, PHP, javascript, C, C++, Ruby"
Interviewer: "That's good. How would you rate your level of expertise
in these languages"
Me: "um .. beginner in all of them"
Interviewer: "Is it time for coffee?"

(See a trend yet ;-))

Interviewer: "What Operating systems are you familar with?"
Me: "Windows 95/Me/2000/XP, Linux/Unix"
Interviewer: "Good, so what does 'make >& make.output &' do then?"
Me: "ar .. uses make ..."
Interviewer: "Ar .. so you know about 'make' then?"
Me: "well, I've heard of it" (Sinks into chair)
Interviewer: "mmm, go on.."
Me: "I'm not getting this job, am I?"
Interviewer: "um ... no!"


Uni teaches a lot of theory, but unless you're working in the industry
that's all it is.. theory! I'm actually working in IT now but I
wasn't for the first 8 years of the degree.

Now that I've finished, it's time to actually learn something beyond an
introductory level. I'm not saying the degree wasn't beneficial. It was.
But I would say there was a lot of 'fluff'. I do though find myself
thinking "oh, that's what the lecturer was trying to get across" at
times.

One thing I will say about the whole Cert/Uni thing though is it
depends on the person. Like somebody else said, you could sleep through
a course, barely pass the exam, and forget it the next day. Or you
could use it as a springboard to go further. Would I do another
Cert/degree? Nope! Hopefully I'll get to a point where I'll be of some
use to an open source project. I think that would definitely be the way
to go.

cheers,

-- 
Mark




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