[#281559] NTLM authentication with httpclient — Jim Clark <diegoslice@...>

I have rewritten my net/http script that I had questions on a couple of

11 messages 2007/12/01

[#281591] question about iterator — Paul Private <paulus4605@...>

dear

15 messages 2007/12/01

[#281603] Identifying a volume as being an iPod — John Joyce <dangerwillrobinsondanger@...>

Does anybody know how to identify a mounted volume as being an iPod ?

21 messages 2007/12/01

[#281612] Why are "Array#push" and "pop" not "push!" and "pop!"? — samppi <rbysamppi@...>

As a novice in Ruby, I love its elegance and consistence; it's now one

30 messages 2007/12/01

[#281653] irb and unix shells — Robert Jones <robertjones21@...>

Can you use irb in place of shells like bash or rc?

21 messages 2007/12/02

[#281779] What are the differences between c++ and Ruby? — "duddilla's" <radhika.duddilla@...>

Hi

13 messages 2007/12/03

[#281810] Everyone's favorite flow control: retry — Charles Oliver Nutter <charles.nutter@...>

Today I was thinking about retry support in JRuby, and figured we've

18 messages 2007/12/03

[#281917] What is the best way to interact with a JDBC database — Venks <venkatesh.mantha@...>

Hi,

14 messages 2007/12/03

[#281965] Rubyisms wanted to shorten code in search program — RichardOnRails <RichardDummyMailbox58407@...>

Hi,

10 messages 2007/12/04

[#282099] Re: Ruby App Distribution — Joe L <superist_joe@...>

I don't see how RubyScript2Exe would work when it's a virtual machine. Would it package the entire virtual machine inside the exe?

12 messages 2007/12/04
[#282102] Re: Ruby App Distribution — "Adam Shelly" <adam.shelly@...> 2007/12/04

On 12/4/07, Joe L <superist_joe@yahoo.com> wrote:

[#282100] I consider this a bug in Ruby... — "Just Another Victim of the Ambient Morality" <ihatespam@...>

I would like to know why the following code doesn't work:

14 messages 2007/12/04

[#282123] Ruby works but not JRuby - when using MySQL Driver — Venks <venkatesh.mantha@...>

Here is the simple Ruby program that works with "Ruby" but gives an

10 messages 2007/12/05

[#282276] Worth an RCR? static_type_check, polymorphic_type_check, quacks_like — John Carter <john.carter@...>

Is there another library like this? I would love it if it were just

17 messages 2007/12/05

[#282277] Capturing STDOUT from a system call (POSIX) into an array — Venks <venkatesh.mantha@...>

What's the best way to capture STDOUT into an Array? I looked at

12 messages 2007/12/05

[#282340] if /hello/ =~line — Peter Loftus <loftuz@...>

Got help with this code earlier its just checking a file for a line

12 messages 2007/12/06

[#282373] function like "function_exits" — Girard Fred <fred.girard@...>

Hi all,

14 messages 2007/12/06

[#282374] regular expression. newbie problem. — Johnathan Smith <stu_09@...>

Hi,

15 messages 2007/12/06
[#282378] Re: regular expression. newbie problem. — Reacher <brandon.g.jones@...> 2007/12/06

On Dec 6, 9:42 am, Johnathan Smith <stu...@hotmail.com> wrote:

[#282413] array iterator that have more arrays that also need iteratio — Raimon Fs <coder@...>

Hello ...

14 messages 2007/12/06
[#282415] Re: array iterator that have more arrays that also need iteratio — Xavier Noria <fxn@...> 2007/12/06

On Dec 6, 2007, at 8:25 PM, Raimon Fs wrote:

[#282447] search-0.0.1 — "ara.t.howard" <ara.t.howard@...>

14 messages 2007/12/06

[#282501] Dynamic local vars — Vasyl Smirnov <vasyl.smirnov@...>

Hi,

14 messages 2007/12/07

[#282605] Word Loop (#149) — Ruby Quiz <james@...>

The three rules of Ruby Quiz:

49 messages 2007/12/07

[#282633] Problem with Hash of Arrays — Jimi Damon <jdamon@...>

I am new to Ruby , but I consider this feature to be a bug.

15 messages 2007/12/07

[#282673] ruby certification — dare ruby <martin@...>

Dear friends,

41 messages 2007/12/08
[#282695] Re: ruby certification — "Austin Ziegler" <halostatue@...> 2007/12/08

On 12/8/07, dare ruby <martin@angleritech.com> wrote:

[#282696] Re: ruby certification — John Joyce <dangerwillrobinsondanger@...> 2007/12/08

Oh, come on.

[#282703] Re: ruby certification — Gregory Seidman <gsslist+ruby@...> 2007/12/08

On Sat, Dec 08, 2007 at 11:25:59PM +0900, John Joyce wrote:

[#282762] Re: ruby certification — Jim Clark <diegoslice@...> 2007/12/09

Gregory Seidman wrote:

[#282779] Re: ruby certification — "Austin Ziegler" <halostatue@...> 2007/12/09

On 12/9/07, Jim Clark <diegoslice@gmail.com> wrote:

[#282942] Re: ruby certification — Jim Clark <diegoslice@...> 2007/12/10

Austin Ziegler wrote:

[#282962] Re: ruby certification — "Todd Benson" <caduceass@...> 2007/12/10

On Dec 10, 2007 12:28 PM, Jim Clark <diegoslice@gmail.com> wrote:

[#282971] Re: ruby certification — "Austin Ziegler" <halostatue@...> 2007/12/10

On 12/10/07, Todd Benson <caduceass@gmail.com> wrote:

[#282684] Looking for a new web framework. — "Tim Uckun" <timuckun@...>

I am looking for a web framework designed to handle multiple domains

16 messages 2007/12/08
[#282752] Re: Looking for a new web framework. — "Mikel Lindsaar" <raasdnil@...> 2007/12/09

Go get Mephisto and put it on rails. Can handle multiple domains, with

[#282748] How much would variable declarations in Ruby make you wince? — "Just Another Victim of the Ambient Morality" <ihatespam@...>

So, I had a conversation with a colleague of mine and he brought up a

60 messages 2007/12/09

[#282822] Confirm My Ruby/GUI investigation? — Wesley Rishel <wes.rishel@...>

I have been reviewing the copious old threads (and the various cited web

14 messages 2007/12/09

[#282995] REXml help - Insert newlines into large xml file — Sean Nakasone <seannakasone@...>

Hello, I have a large xml file that does not have any newlines in it. Can

10 messages 2007/12/11

[#283063] While statements in ruby — Mark Mr <pimea.mark@...>

Hi guys, I have a probably simple question. I dont know how to do

13 messages 2007/12/11

[#283079] opposite .nil? — "Andrew Stone" <stonelists@...>

I've looked around, but could not find a method that is the opposite of

16 messages 2007/12/11

[#283128] How To Avoid Ugly Declerations — Michael Boutros <me@...>

Hello! More and more I find myself having to do something like this:

13 messages 2007/12/12

[#283243] Connecting to Outlook 'Saved Items' folder using win32ole — Alex DeCaria <alex.decaria@...>

Can anyone tell me how to connect to the 'Saved Items' folder in Outlook

11 messages 2007/12/12

[#283396] Showing Running Processes in variable — jackster the jackle <contact@...>

I want to capture the list of running processes on my computer. I am to

13 messages 2007/12/13

[#283432] Newbie Question: What is a class for? — Matthias Borgeson <hibridmatthais@...>

Hello all-

11 messages 2007/12/13

[#283446] Third edition of "Programming Ruby" now in beta — Dave Thomas <dave@...>

Ruby 1.9 is just around the corner, so it looks like a good time to =20

10 messages 2007/12/13

[#283530] Programmer Ping-Pong (#150) — Ruby Quiz <james@...>

The three rules of Ruby Quiz:

43 messages 2007/12/14
[#283538] Re: [QUIZ] Programmer Ping-Pong (#150) — Paul Irofti <bulibuta@...> 2007/12/14

On 2007-12-14, Ruby Quiz <james@grayproductions.net> wrote:

[#283545] Good Ruby IDE for Debian Linux? — "Steckly, Ron" <rsteckly@...>

Hi all,

19 messages 2007/12/14

[#283574] simple way to turn "foo and bar" to "+foo +bar" — Max Williams <toastkid.williams@...>

I want to add a slightly hacky feature into my boolean mysql search

11 messages 2007/12/14

[#283673] Smallest device to code ruby on? — Casimir P <pikselNOSPAMMi@...>

Whats the smallest gadget you can code (and compile) ruby on?

25 messages 2007/12/15

[#283708] autoindenting ruby — "Martin DeMello" <martindemello@...>

Something most of the "IDE roundup" threads seem to pass over lightly

12 messages 2007/12/15

[#283753] Backslashes in Command Line Arguments — Joseph Pecoraro <joepeck02@...>

In writing a script that takes strings on the command line I have run

13 messages 2007/12/16

[#283811] teams -> members -> users — John Griffiths <indiehead@...>

trying to work this out, giving me a headache,

11 messages 2007/12/16

[#283870] Is there any way to pass further the "hidden" block? — "Chiyuan Zhang" <pluskid@...>

Like this:

13 messages 2007/12/17

[#283917] dividing by two and rounding up — Tom Norian <tomnorian@...>

Hey all...I am hoping for a tip

16 messages 2007/12/17

[#283970] Best compiled language for extending Ruby — Sharkie Landshark <shark.fin.soup@...>

I want to write my core logics in a compiled language for 1) performance

26 messages 2007/12/18

[#284001] String#[] behaviour — DNNX <6aLLIaPuMoB@...>

'asd'[0...10] returns 'asd' while 'asd'[-10..-1] returns nil.

14 messages 2007/12/18

[#284037] New to ruby — bigbrother <Cowboyninja@...>

Hey guys, I'm pretty new to ruby. I've got a question

15 messages 2007/12/18

[#284038] Check if directory exists — Florian Schaf <flo.schaf@...>

hi!

13 messages 2007/12/18

[#284082] Hpricot syntax different from Xpath ? — Celine <xhanrot@...>

Hi all

14 messages 2007/12/18

[#284215] best way to distribute? — Pavel Pvl <pavel989@...>

hi, what is the best way to distribute ruby apps without having the end

23 messages 2007/12/19

[#284268] RubyGems 1.0.0 — Eric Hodel <drbrain@...7.net>

Release 1.0.0 fixes several bugs.

24 messages 2007/12/20
[#284328] Re: [ANN] RubyGems 1.0.0 — Jim Morris <ml@...4net.com> 2007/12/20

After trying to install both from the source and from gem update --system

[#284363] RubyGems 1.0.1 — Eric Hodel <drbrain@...7.net>

= Announce: RubyGems Release 1.0.1

12 messages 2007/12/21

[#284462] Matz says namespaces are too hard to implement - why? — Stefan Rusterholz <apeiros@...>

Short primer: What are namespaces?

40 messages 2007/12/22
[#284478] Re: Matz says namespaces are too hard to implement - why? — Robert Klemme <shortcutter@...> 2007/12/22

On 22.12.2007 04:18, Stefan Rusterholz wrote:

[#284479] Re: Matz says namespaces are too hard to implement - why? — Charles Oliver Nutter <charles.nutter@...> 2007/12/22

Robert Klemme wrote:

[#284486] Re: Matz says namespaces are too hard to implement - why? — Stefan Rusterholz <apeiros@...> 2007/12/22

> Or perhaps, the various implementers will be able to answer this

[#284488] Re: Matz says namespaces are too hard to implement - why? — Charles Oliver Nutter <charles.nutter@...> 2007/12/22

Stefan Rusterholz wrote:

[#284491] Re: Matz says namespaces are too hard to implement - why? — Stefan Rusterholz <apeiros@...> 2007/12/22

Charles Oliver Nutter wrote:

[#284493] Re: Matz says namespaces are too hard to implement - why? — Charles Oliver Nutter <charles.nutter@...> 2007/12/22

Stefan Rusterholz wrote:

[#284494] Re: Matz says namespaces are too hard to implement - why? — Stefan Rusterholz <apeiros@...> 2007/12/22

Charles Oliver Nutter wrote:

[#285031] Re: Matz says namespaces are too hard to implement - why? — "Eivind Eklund" <eeklund@...> 2007/12/27

On Dec 22, 2007 4:22 PM, Charles Oliver Nutter <charles.nutter@sun.com> wrote:

[#285115] Re: Matz says namespaces are too hard to implement - why? — Charles Oliver Nutter <charles.nutter@...> 2007/12/28

Eivind Eklund wrote:

[#284644] C++ Functors and Ruby extensions — "Jason Roelofs" <jameskilton@...>

I wonder if anyone has tried to do what I'm doing and if they've come up

10 messages 2007/12/24

[#284651] Trouble with Readline and Building Ruby 1.9 — "James Herdman" <james.herdman@...>

I'm having a little trouble building Ruby 1.9. I'm building on

14 messages 2007/12/24

[#284720] Ruby 1.9.0 is released — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...>

Hi,

54 messages 2007/12/25
[#284729] Re: Ruby 1.9.0 is released — Rk Ch <rollingwoods@...> 2007/12/25

Great christmas gift! Thanks for guys hard worked.

[#284786] Re: Ruby 1.9.0 is released — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2007/12/26

Hi,

[#284800] Re: Ruby 1.9.0 is released — "Jeremy McAnally" <jeremymcanally@...> 2007/12/26

Could you point out some areas that are in dire need of documentation?

[#284731] OT: Polyglot programming article? — Jay Levitt <jay+news@...>

About three or four months ago, I ran across a great article/blog post

10 messages 2007/12/25

[#284772] qt4 bindings, threads — "daniel 虧erud" <daniel.akerud@...>

I couldn't find a mailinglist for the Qt4 Ruby bindings, so I try here. It

11 messages 2007/12/25

[#284867] Destroying an Object — Ken Awamura <ken.awamura@...>

Suppose I create a new object:

19 messages 2007/12/26

[#284894] Purpose of Ruby 1.9? — "=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Rados=B3aw_Bu=B3at?=" <radek.bulat@...>

First of all I want to thank Matz and Ko1 for yours great work! I

26 messages 2007/12/26
[#284896] Re: Purpose of Ruby 1.9? — "Luiz Vitor Martinez Cardoso" <grabber@...> 2007/12/26

WW91IGFyZSBhc2tpbmcgdmVyeSB1c2VmdWxsIHF1ZXN0aW9ucyEgV2VsbC4uLiB3ZSBuZWVkIHdh

[#284905] Re: Purpose of Ruby 1.9? — "Windham, Kristopher R." <kriswindham@...> 2007/12/26

in the Desktop reference by Matz, printed in 2002,

[#284906] Re: Purpose of Ruby 1.9? — "Rick DeNatale" <rick.denatale@...> 2007/12/26

On Dec 26, 2007 5:39 PM, Windham, Kristopher R. <kriswindham@gmail.com> wrote:

[#284918] convert excel spreadsheet to csv — Junkone <junkone1@...>

is there any library to convert excel file to csv.

12 messages 2007/12/27

[#284923] Re: using reg expr with array.index — MonkeeSage <MonkeeSage@...>

On Dec 26, 4:32 pm, Esmail <ebonak_de...@hotmail.com> wrote:

12 messages 2007/12/27

[#284960] Add Array#first= and Array#last= to std lib — "Robert Klemme" <shortcutter@...>

Hi,

35 messages 2007/12/27

[#284980] about method docs — Santanu <thisissantanu@...>

Hello Everybody,

16 messages 2007/12/27

[#285003] Port Ruby on Rails Application — Snoop1990 Snoop1990 <snoopy1990@...>

Hello,

15 messages 2007/12/27

[#285118] testing for 64-bit environment — Tom Metge <tom@...>

subject says it all- anyone know a way to determine if the host system

12 messages 2007/12/28

[#285223] How to jump over the first line in a file? (newbie) — Mark Toth <mark.toth@...>

I have this code:

14 messages 2007/12/28

[#285294] Using "sort!" in a C extension (1.9 problem) — Andre Nathan <andre@...>

Hello

23 messages 2007/12/29
[#285349] Re: Using "sort!" in a C extension (1.9 problem) — "KUBO Takehiro" <kubo@...> 2007/12/30

Hi,

[#285300] Mr Bones - 1.1.0 — "Tim Pease" <tim.pease@...>

Bones

17 messages 2007/12/29

[#285315] Can Ruby be a keylogger on Win/Mac? — Jay Levitt <jay+news@...>

I know the subject's vague; that's because I don't know what I'm talking

14 messages 2007/12/29

[#285475] Best way to download >1GB files — thefed <fedzor@...>

What is the best way to download files from the internet (HTTP) that

19 messages 2007/12/31

Re: Ruby App Distribution

From: Charles Oliver Nutter <charles.nutter@...>
Date: 2007-12-07 05:36:47 UTC
List: ruby-talk #282482
Michal Suchanek wrote:
> Free if you happen to have the right platform ..

Yeah, if your platform is Linux, Windows, or Solaris...that's a pretty 
wide selection. And these days, there's Sun and non-Sun builds for BSD 
flavors, OS X, and plenty more.

> The Java 5 documentation used to have very onerous license. Have you
> ever read it? Maybe the newer ones are better. I heard that Java 7
> will be GPL but we are not there yet.

Java 7 is GPL. The only pieces that aren't are the ones Sun had no 
rights to GPL, and they're in the process of being replaced with bits 
from e.g. GCJ.

> Where is a complete Java 5 implementation other than Sun JVM? With the
> GUI stuff and all? Everywhere I always see "Sun JRE required". Sure
> the situation would be different for server stuff or other
> applications where the fancy GUI is not required.

IBM has had complete Java 5 implementations for a while and now has a 
Java 6 beta out: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/java

BEA has Java 5 and Java 6 implementations:http://dev2dev.bea.com/jrockit/

Apple of course has complete implementations of Java 1.4, Java 5, and 
non-public (any more, at least) betas of Java 6

Apache has milestone builds of Harmony 5.0: http://harmony.apache.org/

And there are a number of in-progress but working ports of the Java 6 
research-licensed source and the GPLed Java 7 source.

All of these have GUI support. And I know that Sun's, IBM's, BEA's, and 
some of the other FOSS impls can run JRuby. Hell, JRuby on Rails can run 
on a mainframe running Z/OS using one of IBM's JDKs, and still talk to a 
Microsoft SQL Server database without modification. Do you want more?

> When we are talking about Swing frameworks it is something Java, and
> probably even Sun JVM specific. How can you abstract Java out then?

I think "probably" is the key word here that you're missing a lot of 
facts. Swing is nowhere near Sun JVM specific. It's supported by any 
Java SE implementation, and I've already listed several. Where are you 
getting this information?

And Swing is just an API. Sure, it's written in Java. But it's just 
bytecode in the end. From Ruby, it's just classes and methods:

   frame = JFrame.new("Some title")
   button = JButton.new("Press me")

   frame.set_size 300, 300
   frame.always_on_top = true
   frame.add button

   button.add_action_listener { button.text = "Pressed!" }

   frame.show

This is all plain old JRuby code, and can be packaged up WITH JRuby in a 
single file that runs on any Java 5+ implementation without rebuilding 
or repackaging in any way. How is that not cool?

> Specifically with libc some common systems allow to install several
> libc version, and the right is picked for running the application.
> However, Java application for different version of JVM just breaks.

I have five Java SE versions installed on my machine. Four are from 
Apple and one is a port of the Java 6 source. I switch between them 
freely. Sure, if I compile for Java 6 and try to run on Java 4, it will 
break; that's by design, so I can write to Java 6 APIs and know that if 
the app starts up it has guarantees about compatibility across all APIs. 
And a user only needs to know one version number to be sure the app will 
run rather than having to track a dozen library versions potentially 
incompatible with each other or their own past versions.

And backward-compatibility on the Java platform is far better than 
almost every other platform I've used; even Ruby 1.9 is going to break 
many uses of String, block arguments, and other features (for the 
better, I must say). Perhaps it's a matter of opinion when a bad API is 
fixed as to whether it's a good fix or a breaking change; but that's no 
different from any other platform.

But I think we're getting too far away from Ruby here. You're set in 
your ways and not going to change your opinion or give the Java platform 
another chance. I can sympathize with folks who've been burned by the 
platform; I lived through those days as a Java developer, which is a 
large part of the reasons why I work on JRuby. But times change, and the 
platform hasn't stood still. If you continue to live with outdated 
prejudices, you're going to miss out on an outstanding VM. And in my 
opinion, you're going to miss out on a great implementation of Ruby as well.

Do as you will.

- Charlie

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