From: John Joyce Date: 2007-11-12T15:24:21+09:00 Subject: Re: another Ruby on Rails certificate program What if the book comes with a Cert in the back, then when you get to the end you're certified. Actually, the certification should be printable but only if you can solve a programming puzzle from the book. A puzzle that is tied to your name and birth date and requires understanding of topics from each chapter of the book to complete the puzzle and successfully generate your printable certification in PDF all done with Ruby... There's nothing wrong with certifications, or diplomas or degrees, just as long as they're taken for what each of them are individually in their own setting. Don't knock it until you see the results. Analogies aside.