From: Mark Hahn Date: 2001-12-08T04:51:26+09:00 Subject: [ruby-talk:27843] Re: SF vs. Savannah modulo XP AI Sorry - I won't do it again. -----Original Message----- From: Conrad Schneiker [mailto:schneiker@jump.net] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 11:35 AM To: ruby-talk ML; undisclosed-recipients: Subject: [ruby-talk:27842] Re: SF vs. Savannah modulo XP AI "Mark Hahn" wrote: > Me thinks you are wasting finger muscle calories replying to ATM. Now maybe > if you put tin foil over your head and stared at Venus, you might be able to > get through to him. Please remember and respect Matz's requests to keep the Ruby NG and ML civil and friendly. It's OK to disagree, but personal slights are uncalled for. ==== Refs: comp.lang.ruby Charter and Ruby Newsgroup FAQ. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert Feldt" > To: "ruby-talk ML" > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 5:54 AM > Subject: [ruby-talk:27444] Re: SF vs. Savannah modulo XP AI > > > > On Tue, 4 Dec 2001, Arthur T. Murray wrote: > > > > > ATM: > > > Mind.Ruby proposes to "save the world" through eXtreme Programming > > > in the emergence of true artificial intelligence for bringing about > > > http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/~phoenix/vinge/vinge-sing.html (q.v.). > > > > > Modest goals ;-) > > > > > None will dispute that AI programming is _the_ crucial software > > > > > I think many will dispute that. > > > > > issue of 2001+ and a language like Ruby is the most important ever, > > > because Mind.Ruby bridges the gap between Western free-thinking AI > > > and Japanese "groupthink society" technical supremacy in robotics. > > > > > > In support of Ruby and in spite of the extremely closed-minded > > > witch-hunt mentality of its chief practitioners ("Ruby is too > > > important to be left to the Ruby rubes." ), a quasi-foundry is > > > http://www.faqts.com/knowledge_base/index.phtml/fid/1000 -- > > > FAQTS : Computers : Programming : Languages : Ruby. > > > > > I think it would be good if you describe in more detail how your project > > depends on or uses Ruby. We have'nt seen any code even though your posts > > and home pages gives the impression there is actually code there. > > > > I think the "witch-hunt" you're referring to stems from a > > language/communication problem. Your goals and manifestos are grandiose > > and programmers tend to be sceptical until they can see real and working > > code, algorithms and/or systems. If you give some real meat people will be > > less sceptical. > > > > An example of the kind of confusion your posts and home pages creates is > > the statement above "linking" Mind.Ruby to extreme programming. I get the > > impression that XP is somehow a crucial factor in your quest to "save the > > world". Maybe it is (I'm skeptical since its a "software implementation > > technique" of sorts and the strength of your AI ideas probably doesn't > > hinge on how they are implemented) but it also feels like your trying to > > ride on the hype of XP and Ruby in promoting your project. The post to > > comp.objects etc (reaching a *LARGE* number of people) was also > > confusing; is he promoting Ruby? Is Mind.Ruby part of Ruby? etc It might > > have created confusion about what Ruby is among people who've never heard > > about it. To me that is unfortunate. > > > > If you try to describe to us in simple, everyday terms what it is you're > > up to, how it's different from AI research and knowledge and where Ruby > > fits in we'll (at least I) try to understand you better. > > > > > > If even the most paranoid Rubyists agree that > > > > Sourceforge is still cool, should we try to create > > > > a Ruby foundry? I notice there's not one. > > > ATM: > > > There may not be a specific Ruby foundry for lack of critical > > > mass in such a heretofore marginal language, but luckily there > > > _is_ a Mind.Ruby Open Source Ruby OO AI coordination page at > > > http://mind.sourceforge.net/ruby.html -- Mind-to-Ruby liaison. > > > > > What do you mean with "Open Source Ruby OO AI coordination page"? How > > does it relate to a "community" of Ruby projects at SF? To me it > > gives the impression that your project includes any other Ruby OO AI > > projects there might be. I'm doing Soft Computing (Evolutionary > > computation) with Ruby and it is sometimes considered AI or at least > > AI-related. Does this mean I should coordinate with you? > > > > And the questions in this thread wasn't specifically about AI. Why did > > you post about a specific application area (AI) when we're discussing a > > general Ruby foundry? And please don't answer that AI encompasses all > > knowledge... > > > > Regards, > > > > /Robert Feldt > > > > >