From: Conrad Schneiker <schneiker@...>
Date: 2001-12-07T07:14:04+09:00
Subject: [ruby-talk:27758] Re: New RubyGarden Poll - this one affectsus all :)

Hi,

"Yukihiro Matsumoto" <matz@ruby-lang.org> wrote:

> In message "[ruby-talk:27556] Re: New RubyGarden Poll - this one affectsus
all :)"
>     on 01/12/06, Dave Thomas <Dave@PragmaticProgrammer.com> writes:
>
> |> Me too.  We need *some* way to refer clearly back and forth to old
> |> messages.
> |
> |Using an X- header, they'd be there if you wanted them.
>
> As some guy (sorry, forgot the name) pointed out, you can get this
> information from X-ML-Name and X-Mail-Count.
>
> Probably it's a tradition issue.  Almost all lists I join add prefix
> to the subjects of their mails.  This is quite popular way in Japan.

Are there any good and/or popular conventions used in the broader English
speaking realm?

I did a little search-based random sampling (i.e. possibly statistically
anomalous) and turned up some interesting bits of information.

Notably, "Dr. Dobb's Python-URL! - weekly Python news and links...." (posted
weekly to comp.lang.python) uses references such as
"http://groups.google.com/groups?th=18e6d8363f51b0bc,31" to refer to past
posts. This is notable since others were discussing emulating this cool
weekly news summary service for Ruby. IIRC, like comp.lang.ruby,
comp.lang.python is also mirrored to a corresponding mail list.

On comp.lang.perl.misc, <<groups.google.com>> style references are also
common (but they seem to grab long raw search URL for the post rather than
the short direct post URL).

FYI, Hamish Lawson once wrote (2001-02-21) on comp.lang.python:

> The recent acquiring of the Deja service by Google will have given the
> compiler of the Python-URL some headaches in trying to create links to
> Usenet items. I applaud the inventive solution using appropriate
> search terms for Google Groups, as in the example below.
>
>
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=Dustin+Boswell+how+to+compile+https+suppor
t+into+Python2.0&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&rnum=1&ic=1
>
> However, aside from the funky coloured highlighting which decorates
> the resulting message (and which some might regard as added value!), I
> wonder if there's the possibility that such a search may return
> multiple results or the wrong result.
>
> Instead it's possible to specify a particular message in Google
> Groups:
>
>
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=group:comp.lang.python&seld=925202150&ic=1
>
> For a message that has been located in Google using search terms, the
> message ID can be obtained by following the "View thread" link.
>
> Alternatively both Yahoo Groups and Python.org have archives of the
> mailing list:
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/python-list/message/124006
>
> http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2001-February/029488.html

Conrad