From: Tobias DiPasquale <anany@...>
Date: 2001-12-04T21:30:42+09:00
Subject: [ruby-talk:27440] Re: Sourceforge vs. Savannah

Sean,

I regret that you had to phrase your statement like that. I am one of 
these "paranoid freaks" you speak of, having moved my project off of 
SourceForge and onto Savannah.

The issue at hand is not whether or not SourceForge stays free, is free 
or whatever... it's what SourceForge chooses to do with it's own code. 
That was what all the hoopla was about. SourceForge has to set an 
example for all the projects on it's site, and if it doesn't, what are 
developer's left to think? The recent events at SourceForge were enough 
to show me (and many others, I noticed) that SourceForge might not be 
the most trustworthy place to keep our projects, so we moved them either 
off-site or to Savannah.

I can only speak for myself, really, but I was appalled by the actions 
that SourceForge took regarding their source and treatment of people who 
had written code for them. So, I moved my code to a site that will 
never, ever do that, even if they should kick me off because its not 
part of the GNU project. And hey, who knows, maybe my project will 
become part of the GNU project someday?? But, I digress. The issue was 
always with SourceForge (the operation) itself, and the treatment by 
them of those who were good enough to contribute their time and skills 
to the SourceForge effort. They had a right to feel mistreated, and I 
for one was not about to be associated with an operation that partakes 
in those kinds of activities. If I wanted to, I could just go work for 
Microshaft. Remember, Open Source is about alternatives, as well.

On the other hand, I agree that a Ruby foundry on SourceForge would be a 
very good thing, not only for the community, but also in terms of 
increasing the community base. Other developers who might have never 
heard of or used Ruby before could be exposed to this wonderful 
language. For this reason, I too agree that a Ruby foundry should be 
started. But why not start one on Savannah as well? I'm sure at this 
stage of the game that the FSF would love to have all those projects and 
hits on their site, if nothing else but to promote the site's usage. We 
could help them out by extending the site to include Foundry 
functionality and in turn have an alternative to SF, should you wish for 
one. Anybody working on that, know of anyone who is doing that?

Sean Middleditch wrote:

> [ruby-talk:27408] Re: Sourceforge vs. Savannah
> On Mon, 2001-12-03 at 21:50, Hal E. Fulton wrote:
> 
>>Opinion question(s).
>>
>>Is Sourceforge "really OK" for future projects or
>>should we go the Savannah route? (savannah.gnu.org)
>>
>>If even the most paranoid Rubyists agree that
>>Sourceforge is still cool, should we try to create
>>a Ruby foundry? I notice there's not one.
>>
> 
> I'd say go for it.  SourceForge still performs it's job, quite well.  As
> for the paranoid freaks, they might as well disconnect from the
> Internet; all their packets are likely somewhere being routed thru a
> proprietary router or an NT machine or something.  Their personal data
> is being stained by the evilness of proprietary Cisco or Linksys or
> Netgear or Microsoft or 3COM software/hardware, any of which could steal
> their data, or fail to transport it, or whatever.  They're paying for
> the right to use this proprietary service, even, instead of merely
> making use of a free service such as SF.  Savannah doesn't even function
> half as well as SourceForge does, anyways.  Not to mention someday all
> the Ruby stuff might get dumped from Savannah because it's not part of
> GNU (talk about SF being evil).
> 
> In any event, a Ruby foundry would be great, as it'd be a great place
> for a central development/newbie info for Ruby, and allow some tie in
> from the project hosted at SF. I'd likely use it, if it's maintained. 
> (I was going to use the games foundry as an example, but it appears they
> finally updated it recently; and what an update.)  Hell, even if there
> are a lot of freaky Ruby developers that dislike SF for whatever reason,
> there's still no reason *not* to have a foundry there, is there?
> 
> Sean Etc.
> 
> 
>>Hal
>>
>>
>>
> 
> 


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