From: John Joyce <dangerwillrobinsondanger@...>
Date: 2007-10-02T12:27:51+09:00
Subject: Re: Ruby vs. PHP


On Oct 1, 2007, at 10:01 PM, Chad Perrin wrote:

> On Tue, Oct 02, 2007 at 06:08:38AM +0900, John Joyce wrote:
>>> .  PHP is a
>>> templating language.
>> PHP actually is a full-fledged programming language.
>
> Who ever said a templating language couldn't be a "programming  
> language"?
> So it's Turing-complete.  Big deal.  It's still a templating language.
>
>
>>
>> I think one of the reasons it took off so well is that its syntax is
>> very C-like so many computer science grads feel right at home with it
>> after being taught C/C++/Java for so long. It takes less of a leap
>> for them to start using it than would Perl or Ruby.
>
> I can only assume you haven't made the transition from C/C++ to Perl,
> then.  Perl is in many ways closer to C than PHP ever was.
>
>
>>
>> The worst thing to me about PHP is its object implementation and
>> overuse of sigils.
>
> Its object implementation sucks.  No arguing that.  It's basically  
> just
> a poor implementation of namespaces with delusions of grandeur.
>
> My main problem with PHP sigils is that they don't actually do  
> anything
> useful.  At least in Perl they serve some purposes in making certain
> things easier to support with the interpreter and easier to parse by
> human eye, by being different for different types of variables.
>
> I can only assume that the rest of your post wasn't directed at me,
> because I didn't see any connection between it and what I said.
>

nah most of what I type is only directed at my computer.

But yes, critically, the worst thing about PHP sigils is how useless  
they are. They're just noise!