From: Terry Poulin Date: 2007-09-27T08:26:07+09:00 Subject: Re: I love Ruby but what is the deal with... this ! Ruby Manic, it seems every where I look for you I seem to see tendencies for being a Pain In The Neck. If I could, I'd probably set my MUA to ignore all threats started by you.... I am usually not one to use the word Troll -- but I think you are getting to be classifiable as one! Don't like that Ruby 2.0 is not out yet? Get off your butt and help them. Think Ruby 1.8.x is to slow? Get over it or don't use it. Can't stand the possibility of reverse engineering? Then employ an obfuscater and write a Ruby To Machine Code compiler for the result -- I would love to use one! Maybe you could even work out a way to use the intermediate representation to further obfuscate the code. If you can't stand the way Ruby does things, ether put up or push off. No one forces you to use Ruby. I doubt many businesses would stipulate it ether unless they require Rails people. Even installed YARV for testing yet? Using one tool for every thing is bad for business. I think it's nice when some one has a 'Just for fun' moment. Such as doing a project in C they would usually do in Shell/Batch or vice versa. I've learned a number of languages, each is useful and worth using at some point. My new target is Scheme -- I find Ruby works best for most regular tasks. And has more portability for 'in house' needs here then POSIX Shell scripting if tasks are more complex then I would care to type into a CLI. In business, using Ruby in place of C# when the trade off looks like Weeks vs Days. Is just stupid in my humble opinion from the point of view of people having to *pay* for such work. When no one is footing the bill for it, it's ok. Maybe this is why I prefer Vim to Notepad. The effect fullness out ways the cost of learning. Don't start threads to whine, poke, or encourage chaos. Ether make do with what you do have, help make it better, or go troll some other seas. If Ruby won't cut it for you, maybe you should try Python. But I wouldn't wish you on the Python community ! TerryP. -- Email and shopping with the feelgood factor! 55% of income to good causes. http://www.ippimail.com