From: Felix Windt Date: 2007-08-24T07:21:10+09:00 Subject: Re: ruby shell? ------=_NextPart_000_00BE_01C7E598.AFF3AB00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm not a shell guru, but I'll take a crack at a few of those: > -----Original Message----- > From: Tomas Pospisek's Mailing Lists [mailto:tpo2@sourcepole.ch] > Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 3:02 PM > To: ruby-talk ML > Subject: Re: ruby shell? > > On Fri, 24 Aug 2007, Robert Klemme wrote: > > > 2007/8/23, Daniel Aquino : > >> It's not just arrays... lots of things are a pain.. > > > > Sorry, I find that too unspecific. Bash is great for what it's > > intended to do. It's not a general purpose programming environment > > but rather a scripting engine for day to day admin tasks. Maybe you > > used the wrong hammer for your nail? :-) > > * Quoting in shell is hell. Do you mean escaping characters? If so, sure, there's special characters in double and single quoted strings that you need to learn. That's normal for any "language". > * "A = 11" is a syntax error. WTF! I'll give you that. I gather that the reason is ease of parsing, but it is suboptimal. > * "A=1; echo $A". Why once A and the other time $A? To make you weep? A $ sign starts interpolation. There's no interpoloation during variable assignment. > * "ls 2>&1". Again: why is a filedescriptor once a number only and > the other time has an ampersand in front? Such things give > me nausea. An ampersand after > or < is the merging redirect operator, It doesn't belong to the file descriptor. > * for i in "all files that contain a star". How long do you > have for that? > 30min? Less? More? All you need to do is to escape the asterisk, which is a special character: felix@felix-laptop:~$ touch test*test felix@felix-laptop:~$ for file in *\**; do echo $file; done test*test felix@felix-laptop:~$ > * arithmetics?!?!?! felix@felix-laptop:~$ expr 20 + 5 - 4 21 felix@felix-laptop:~$ Now, I work in the shell all day long, so maybe I'm just used to those things, but I didn't find them any harder to learn than some of the ground rules for Ruby. 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