From: seebs@... (Peter Seebach) Date: 2007-07-14T11:03:43+09:00 Subject: Re: I need serious help! In message , Joe Wiltrout writes: >No. Not even by the time they were working there. Everyone of em >certainly understood this shit much better than I do. I certainly didn't. :) >Or they would have given up too. Maybe not. >And what languages does Chris Pines book teach? Because >I'v decided to screw Ruby, because it hasnt helped at all. And if >everyone is so professional and talented, why can't they give me >straight forward help? You guys are like Jedi or bad teachers. Either be >really vague, or kick me in the ass and tell me to do something else. Chris's book teaches Ruby, too. If you want to try a different language, King's "C Programming: A Modern Approach" is excellent, although ironically, it's now a bit out of date (a new revision should be along soonish). The thing is, you want to make a big program, but you seem unwilling to learn the skills that make for building a big program. Rome, as they say, wasn't built in a day. I spent most of a decade on the ISO C standards committee, and to this day, people with a number of calendar years of experience on me will ask me questions about C. That doesn't mean I was born knowing C; it means I spent months and months doing stupid little test programs -- not far from "hello, world" -- and using them as a way to learn about how things worked. -s