From: Mikkel Bruun <mikkel.bruun@...>
Date: 2001-11-20T21:28:54+09:00
Subject: [ruby-talk:25911] SV:  Re: SV: Human Oriented Programming & Intent	ional Pr ogramming

Good point,

I havent seen any articles about it online...even though ive searched...

whether or not I makes you more productive....probably no...

but afaik its about capturing requirements in a structured language
independent manner, that'll make it possible to generate code for the
specific req in any language...

Mikkel

> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: Armin Roehrl [mailto:armin@approximity.com]
> Sendt: 20 November 2001 11:39
> Til: ruby-talk@ruby-lang.org
> Emne: [ruby-talk:25904] Re: SV: Human Oriented Programming & 
> Intentional
> Pr ogramming
> 
> 
> > I read generative programming a month a go, and the first 
> thing tht struck
> > was also..RUBY..
> >
> > It seems like the dynamic nature of the language (along 
> with the libs you
> > mentioned) would ease the move to IP or generative programming...
> >
> > Its a very interesting field, that some ruby dudes maybe 
> should look at??
> >Mikkel
> Forgive my ignorance (Yesterday I ordered that book and have 
> not yet got it),
> but is there any article (online if possible) to read to 
> convince me that
> - IP will make me more productive
> - IBM's hyperspace will make me more productive
> I really don't want to put it down, as I don't know about it.
> 
> Thanks,
> 	A
> 
> >
> > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> > > Fra: Lachlan Pitts [mailto:Lachlan_Pitts@Softworks.com.au]
> > > Sendt: 20 November 2001 02:28
> > > Til: ruby-talk@ruby-lang.org
> > > Emne: [ruby-talk:25872] Human Oriented Programming & Intentional
> > > Programming
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Rubyers,
> > >
> > > Just a thought (and not a particularly well examined one) from an
> > > amateur. With Ruby's blurring of the lines between compilation and
> > > execution, I am wondering whether this scripting language 
> (which is SO
> > > cool), its extensions like RubyInRuby, MetaRuby, AspectR and
> > > Behaviours
> > > and the much discussed cross-platform windowing library
> > > (maybe JRuby and
> > > the Eclipse windowing libraries is another combination) 
> could at least
> > > _bootstrap_ an open-source Intentional Programming system (a la
> > > Microsoft Research).  An examination of which is available in :
> > >
> > > "Generative Programming: Methods, Tools, and Applications" by
> > > Krzysztof
> > > Czarnecki, Ulrich Eisenecker
> > > 864 pages 1 edition (June 6, 2000) Addison-Wesley Pub Co; ISBN:
> > > 0201309777
> > >
> > > and various places around the Net.
> > >
> > > From what I understand the thought is to move programming 
> languages to
> > > being compositions of intention declarations (sort of 
> like an active
> > > adorned Abstract Syntax Tree on steroids) allowing new 
> abstractions to
> > > become part of the programming system.  "Active source"
> > > almost :)  Each
> > > intention can have sub intentions that specialize its edition
> > > (+ version
> > > control), display, printing, evaluation (whether edition time
> > > or no) and
> > > even code generation.  Domain Specific Languages can then be
> > > constructed
> > > and shared in a fairly processor agnostic yet efficient manner.
> > >
> > > Anyway, its just a vapourware thought hoping to _stimulate
> > > discussion_.
> > > Back to having fun with Ruby :)
> > >
> > > PS: Another fun thing to think about it is the extension 
> to Subject
> > > Oriented Programming from IBM -
> > > http://www.research.ibm.com/hyperspace/
> > > in Ruby (runtime composition of concern spaces) - that 
> would be very
> > > cool too :) (Although both thoughts do turn my brain into 
> knots :).
> > >
> > > Lachlan Pitts
> 
> -- 
> Armin.
> 
> -----------------------------------------------
> Armin Roehrl, http://www.approximity.com
> "The best way to predict the future is to invent it."
>                                           --Alan Kay
>