From: Kevin Clark <kevin.clark@...>
Date: 2007-07-12T04:48:10+09:00
Subject: Re: god 0.1.0 released

Are we really still talking about this? Have any of you looked at the
software? It's really, really cool, with more interesting and useful
things on the way. Why does the name matter? Tom isn't going to change
it, and some people aren't going to be happy. That will always be the
case. Let's drop it, eh?


On 7/11/07, Brad Phelan <phelan@tttech.ttt> wrote:
> Todd Burch wrote:
> > Florian Frank wrote:
> >
> >> Why? At least now the name refers to *something*.
> >
> > I've never seen a "name" that didn't refer to something.  Perhaps you
> > meant "implies" something.  And yes, it implies a sense of arrogance on
> > Tom's part.
> >
> > And your comment, Benj, about the Gaming industry already doing it - so
> > it must be "ok"...  and your initial thoughts on objections for the use
> > of the name, and then signing as "mostly agnostic"... You sir - have
> > given me the best laugh of the day!  Your first thoughts must have come
> > from your non-"mostly agnostic" side, and by the definition of agnostic,
> > you are uncertain anyway.  So, your post is a trip, (a riot, it's
> > hilarious), anyway you look at it!  And yes, in this case, it's
> > perfectly relevant.
> >
> > Perhaps its my age (44), which to some might suggest a certain level of
> > maturity and/or discretion, but I would have spent a bit more mental
> > time to come up with a name, like I said before, that was more
> > appropriate, or perhaps, OK, I'll quit beating around the bush on my
> > real feelings - less inappropriate.
> >
> > But, being a candidate for an old fuddy-duddy, I could be looking at
> > this all wrong too.  With God (the real one) being taken out of schools,
> > and His commandments being taken out of our courthouses, and in all the
> > other ways society has found to remove or otherwise pidgeon-hole God out
> > of our lives, perhaps this reference, however infinitesimally minute in
> > the scheme of things, will raise someone's curiosity enough to do some
> > exploration for themselves on the matter.
> >
> > One last comment.  Yes, this name choice, as we've already seen, will be
> > the brunt of jokes and snickering, but in the end, you (Tom) have set a
> > pretty big expectation for the usefulness and quality of your wares.
> >
> > Good luck with your project.  (P.S.  yeah, I know, "luck" is a pagan
> > thing!)
> >
> > Todd
> >
> > Now, before anyone gets their knickers in a twist on my comments - take
> > a deep breath, relax, and realize that I have not personally attacked
> > anyone.  Might I have made fun of you?  Well, that depends!
> >
>
> A few comments on this amusingly off topic thread.
>
> (1) Larry Wall, a legendary programmer and committed Christian founded
> the Perl programming language and littered it with religious allusions.
>
> (2) The history of literature music and culture is full of the borrowing
> of others symbols for selfish purposes better or worse. The early
> Christian church was not innocent and borrowed many former Pagan
> symbols. "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you"???
>
> (3) If Tom want to name his project "G.d" them let him be. Persecuting
> those claiming divinity has a historical tendency to make the said
> target of the persecution more popular, eventually becoming in the eyes
> of the faithful the very thing the persecutor took offense with in the
> first place.
>
> B
>
>


-- 
Kevin Clark
http://glu.ttono.us