From: Xeno Campanoli Date: 2007-07-01T23:29:34+09:00 Subject: Re: apt-get installs 1.8.5 on ubuntu 7.0.4 D. Krmpotic wrote: Yeah, it's bug #123315 on launchpad.net. I hope you don't mind but I used your statement there without explicit attribution (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ruby1.8/+bug/123315). It will probably get affirmed as a wishlist item. The problem is I think partly that Ubuntu focuses on the basic and entry level user as a higher priority, and though programmers are certainly recognized as important part of their user community, on things like this I think they may let their inheritence of Debian packages dictate more what happens. That is a guess. I've looked at a diagram of their (Our, since I'm actively doing volunteer work for them) release process and it involves inheriting slices of the latest Debian stuff, upgrading with changes they've been able to actively make, then keeping those deltas so that ever six months the next Debian slice may be re-inherited with the latest "net" deltas. Meanwhile their launchpad mechanism tries to republish all work back to upstream sources like Debian and GNOME and Firefox so that any fixes they find at Ubuntu can be reused by upstream activities with minimal duplication. It's a cool process I think, but it tries to isolate Ubuntu resources to focus on making everyman's workstation work well while letting and others do their work in complement. Perhaps one way to establish Ruby as a good thing to keep updated will be to show that as well as being a well designed and powerful language, it is also perhaps the best entry level language for programmers right now. > thank you for putting it into the list.. and yes - do let us know > please. > > you wrote: "...as Ubuntu's main focus is on workstation support" > > this is a workstation problem... so I hope they take care of it. > > bye > David > > > Xeno Campanoli wrote: >> D. Krmpotic wrote: >>> Hey.. thank you for responding.. I'm using Feisty on Workstation.. it's >>> working flawlessly.. won't switch to Gutsy yet.. on the server I use >>> Dapper.. I will install everything there using Deprec and see what gets >>> installed. >>> >>> So is there no option to get 1.8.6 on Feisty? That's curious? what about >>> custom compiling from source? would that work? I haven't tried yet.. >> Yes, it depends on how much energy you want to put into it. >> >> There are always lots of options, but most or all may be riskier or much >> more work than upgrading to Gutsy, or making a separate server than has >> gutsy, >> or some other Linuxy thing that has 1.8.6 on it. Meanwhile, I'll post >> here if the wishlist Item I just put in the butlist for Ubuntu gets a >> response. I would think they'd want to provide 1.8.6 on anything that >> is still supported. I expect it won't require much work to do it, but >> it may also be a very low priority, as Ubuntu's main focus is on >> workstation support. >> >> Best wishes. >> >> xc > > -- The only sustainable organizing methods focus not on scale, but on good design of the functional unit, not on winning battles, but on preservation.