From: "M. Edward (Ed) Borasky" <znmeb@...>
Date: 2007-06-22T00:03:44+09:00
Subject: Re: Ruby MVC

Alex LeDonne wrote:
> On 6/21/07, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky <znmeb@cesmail.net> wrote:
>> James Britt wrote:
>> > M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote:
>> >
>> >> As an aside, while the concepts of Og are quite exciting, about the
>> only
>> >> documentation I've been able to find is a couple of discussions in Hal
>> >> Fulton's "The Ruby Way, Second Edition."
>> >
>> >
>> > Yes, I know.  :)
>> >
>> > And, sadly, it's falling out of date. :(
>> >
>> >
>> >> I've gone to their web site and
>> >> they are certainly aware that it needs to be done, but busy users with
>> >> problems to solve aren't going to document their stuff for them.
>> >
>> > True.  Recent discussion on the nitro list suggests this will be
>> getting
>> > more attention.  The issue for me has been that, even when trying to
>> > help provide docs, the code has been evolving out from under them.  I
>> > think the changes have been for the better, but it makes it hard to
>> stay
>> > on top of.
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Is there a market for an Og/Nitro book, or is the popularity of
>> Rails so
>> >> overwhelming that nobody will take the risk?
>> >>
>> >
>> > I've heard some interest from publishers, at least in the idea of the
>> > broader topic of Web development in Ruby outside of a single, fairly
>> > focused, framework.  There is considerable variety in the numerous Ruby
>> > Web tools.
>> >
>> > It may be chicken and egg; more documentation on Nitro would drive more
>> > usage, driving more demand for documentation.
>> >
>>
>> Actually, I am on the Nitro mailing list (and I'm not on the Rails list)
>> ;). But Og/Nitro appeal to me because the application I have in mind is
>> starting from a bunch of compressed CSV files and building objects and a
>> database from them. It's not a conventional business application, and my
>> thinking is, or at least has been, ground up from the data to an MVC
>> application, rather than top down from business requirements to an
>> application.
>>
>> So I am planning to start with a "bake-off" between Og and ActiveRecord
>> and see where that leads me. Are there other Ruby ORM tools I should be
>> looking at as well? The target database is PostgreSQL running on Linux
>> (CentOS 5 and whatever web servers and databases it has).
> 
> 
> Maybe Kansas? Uses DBI + DBD::pg for the PostgreSQL access.
> 
> http://enigo.com/projects/kansas/index.html
> 
> -A
> 
> 

Thanks!! I took a brief pass at the tutorial. It looks like a three-way
bake-off now. ;)